yo,

My thoughts exactly.

I don't think Floyd can make 140 that easily. You really think a natural Jr. Feather stops Hatton?

Yes, I think he has a shot to. People always bring up how "small" Manny is, but he was fight 112 when he was 18. He's a man now. Hey, Henry Armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight crown. And I disagree, I think Floyd can make 140 easy.

If Floyd and Pac are still fighting five or six years from now, there's a chance the fight can be made.

Both will have their winning streaks interrupted with losses by then though.

I would love to see floyd get his ass kicked, but Manny wouldn't have a pray. He is way too small. As he or if he moves up in weight, his power will decrease.

winky wright is the only person from 154 down who can beat mayweather.

as dumb as it may seem, a few people up here actually think manny could knock floyd out at any weight today if they fought.. i'd put my car on it he gets his azz beat ferousiously....

Floyd has about 4% bodyfat at 152. To make 140, he would have to shed muscle. That ship has sailed.

Yes, he would have to shed muscle. He can't cut back on the weight training?

So cutting 10 pounds of muscle counts as easily making 140?

Winky hasn't been a jr. middle since 2004. It's 2007. What body part did he cut off so that you can include him in "154 down"? That's like saying Manny is the only person 122 and down that can beat Marquez.


Doesn't work like that.


And how much do you think he weight trains, or why would you think he does any serious weight training? He's 150 soaking wet on fight night. Not like he is Jeff Lacy in there. If he does any weight training, it's certainly not to put on mass.

In five or six years, if Manny's still fighting, he'll have moved up to an equitable weight.

mayweather does not have 4% body fat he is probally closer to 9-10%, he weighed 150 for the DHL drop some fat and dry out and limit weight training and he could more likely make 140. He can probally make 140 easier than hatton or JLC

4 was an exaggeration.
9 or 10 my ass though. 6, 7 tops.

122/126 is Manny's best weight. He's only at 130 cuz that's where the money is. 135 is where you would probably start to see him being less effective.

yep.

Floyd is able to move up in weight so successfully because he's so great defensively and doesn't get hit cleanly very often.

Manny on the other hand, does tend to get hit flush frequently. That won't help if he were to try and move up in weight too much.

Pbf more than likely could make 140 he weighed in at 150 for Osacr after no doubt eating to make it seem as if he was heavier. on the fight nite he weighed 148 which means he is not even a welter in terms of fight nite weight most real welter will be like 150's -160's on fight nite

Got lots of people giving wise ass answers, but how many of you thought Floyd would fight DHL five years ago. It's called prizefighting motherfuckers. If the prize is big enough, the fighters are willing to pay the price for our entertainment. Floyd fought Gatti at 147 just a few years ago. He was already in his late 20's. Did he grow since then?? He can make 140. Pacman would be smaller, but could fight at around 135.



Mosley was able to shed 7 lbs. of muscle in his mid 30's. Floyd is capable of something similar.

Ask a stupid question...you tend to get wise ass answers....

watch the language.
calling everyone who disagrees with you "motherfuckers" isn't necessary.

Whatever.I still have'nt seen anyone say they believed floyd would feally fight oscar when floyd was 135 and oscar was 147/154.

Nobody is addressing a potential fight with Hatton, which I mentioned earlier. Is he too big and muscular too.

wrong answer.

I think by now you should've realised that no-one here thinks Pacquiao can beat Floyd or Ricky.

Feel free to fuck off now.

I would like to see Pacquaio versus Mike Tyson. Can it be done, motherfuckers? Can you make it happen, biotches?

140.

I'm not trying to say these aren't good fights but what's Pac's biggest payday? Floyd is in the next tier as far as paydays now. To Floyd, the wear and tear and pain is not worth the money when he could fight for as much or more at his weight class. I think Floyd makes Pac look silly at 140 in a stinker of a fight. I'm not condoning Floyd's business decisions, but this is just how things are.

Pac will touch Hatton for sure at 140 but I don't think he has the pop to hurt him, and Hatton's mauling style means it's tough to outbox him and Pac's style doesn't lend itself to outboxing people anyway. Hatton is just too big. I think he beats Pac narrowly in a terrible looking fight (we disagree on this one).

I know everyone wants to see Pac in superfights, but he still has a lot of life left at 130 and 135. I would love to see a JMM rematch (probably on the top 5 of fights I want to see in boxing), or a Casa or Diaz/Diaz/Diaz fight. To unify 130 or 135 is an incredible achievement for such a small fighter who is already a HOFer. At 130 Pac is still explosive (and being explosive is the essence of his game), let's see him at 135 before we call for fights at 140.

Plus Andrew, you have to understand the mental fatigue we feel with Pac fanatics posting here in the past. None of the scorn is anything personal. Pac at 140 isn't as outlandish as some of the bullshit people have spouted but I think 140 is a bridge too far.

I think Pacquiao tries to unify 130 before he thinks about going up to lightweight, I think at that weight he starts losing power and speed, the two foundations of his boxing ability. He'd only go up if the money was right and the right opponent was a big enough name (and as of now, the only potentially marketable guys for him to fight at 135 would be the three boxers Diaz, especially Juan.)

If he fights, and beats, Marquez, Valero, Guzman, and Soto at 130, for me, that would be enough for Manny to call it a career and end up in the HOF 5 years later.

Andrew why edited!???We all know u see Pacman as god now!!...Backup Pacman fool!! (dont be a puussy fool..)WOW....i guess he could beat Jesus(never!)im sooo... buzzz!!!....You just love Pacman 2 much!!,Right!?So.. just shut the ffuckup dont edited then!(u ffuck up!!)

Are we talkling on Xbox360cuz my boy Yougene will fuck anyone up using Pacman even u uhse Hattan looser.

You silly mortals, Pacman is GOD and his power is infinite. Only person or being that gives Pac any trouble is Godzilla, but I predict Pac by late round KO.

sips on some San Miguel...

Pac does not have the frame for 140. Hatton would mug him and stop him on sheer size alone. Floyd would Stop him the way he stopped Ndou. Pac is a great fighter but I think he should stop at 135. Pac has always been known as a power puncher and not a skilled slickster. When he gets too big he will lose the power. His style of give and take won't work if he can't give better than he takes.

pac vs hatton/floyd

on the same night? or seperate? how long apart are the fights?

60% of the time, he wins every time

I edited because I was getting bullshit responses. The post never was about pac beating either fighter. It was about could the fights ever happen, just like nobody thought Floyd would fight DHL. But you're wrong about him fighting jesus. Jesus Chavez would never take that fight.

winky has fought at 154 his whole carrer up until a few years ago. He said he wants to return to the jr middle weight or middle after the hopkins fight. Mayweather has had a fight at 54, so why can't this fight happen?

Wright would definitely go back down to jr middle to fight floyd.

The point is, is if wright beats hopkins, he will be number two or at the most 3 on the pound for pound list. Wouldnt you want to see the top two best pound for pound fighters settling who is the best.

This is the fight I want to see more then anything (if wright beats hopkins), even though it will never happen

Winky is a BIG middleweight. Winky is 35 years old. Winky is fighting above the SUPER middleweight limit.
You can't jump up and down in weight like that. And you especially can't when you are old. It's not physically possible. Should Manny can go back to 122 and fight Marquez? Or how about Floyd can go back to 135 and fight Casa? Hell, I'd like to see Toney-Hopkins at 175...another good one would be Mosley-Diaz at 135..so on, and so on...

LOL at this theard. Why is it even gone to 2 pages ?


Andrew, go back to Hoghouseboxing where all the Pac nuthuggers are.

pac would get KTFO by both HATTON AND PBF . .. PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Damn. Never once did I say Pac would beat Hatton or Floyd. I'm just asking if the fight could EVER happen. Like people thought Floyd was crazy for calling out Oscar years ago.

its prize fighting, anything can happen

Pac doesn't have the style to move up past 130 and be really successful.
He relies on speed, aggression and power and gets hit a lot....moving up blunts his strengths and amplifies his weaknesses.

I don't really even like him being at 130...at 126 he was an absolute terror with legit one-punch power.
But boxing is boxing, you gotta go where the money is.

I just hope he doesn't go to 135...I think that's a bridge too far.

these fights could happen if there was enough promotion and money in it. Pac would get his ass kicked though.

SPOT ON....

He's only at 130 because thats where the fights are and the big names are....Uber credit to Manny for this....The guy is a rare breed...

At 135, I think he loses just based on his size...I think he shouldn't climb above 130, but one day he probably will move up, I just hope he postpones that for his final couple fights and he selects the correct foe...

Even a guy like Morales shouldn't be at 135...I think it just tells us how important actual weight classes are and how amazing it is when a fighter defies the odds and moves up like Manny has...

it wont be a good match up. if it ever happens, a lot of people will be disappointed.

but i see some economical sense in this. how often is it that we can see the #1 and #2 P4P fighters actually duke it out? the winner can actually be considered THE best fighter of today. i think if marketed correctly, this could generate enough interest to justify both fighters' huge adjustments in weight.

yeah... maybe i'm being a n00b. but if we're talking about money, i feel this could actually make sense for both fighters.

This thread is loltastic.

Ok,


Let`s say he does fight either one, he would lose big to either big. Hatton would be way too strnog and Floyd would make him look like an amatuer.

Btw, Don`t expect Floyd to come no less than 147. Pacman`s power would be decent at best by then.

lmao

But, let me ask you, "IF" Winky could make it back to 154, don't you think this fight could happen. Remember, floyd called him out once and then backed off a bit. I respect your opinion that you dont think winky can make 54 anymore. I strongly disagree, cause he fought there most of his carrer and he has never fought past 160 until july 21st when he takes on hopkins. I just want to see this fight take place, cause I dont like neither one of them, so I just want to see one of them get there ass kicked.

Alright man, case closed, dont bang your head too hard, it aint that serious, lol

I agree with the posters who've said Floyd aint making 140 now. I think 147 is his weight class now, and 144 is probably the lowest he can go without seeing negative effects in terms of his ability to perform in the ring.

As for Pacman's chances vs. Hatton. Please. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we haven't seen Pacman KO a world class natural 130 lbr (Morales, Larios, and Barrera were all natural 122 lbrs, and Solis was a natural featherweight), and his KO's of Morales, Barrera and Solis were not one punchers - he got the KO based on accumulated punishment. I don't think there's any indication that he'd be able to seriously hurt a world class natural lightweight with his punches, and there's really no evidence that he'd be able to phase a big Jr. Welterweight like Hatton. Sorry, but aint no way in HELL Pacman hits close to as hard as Kostya Tszyu (who did have legit 1 punch power at Jr. Welterweight), and Tszyu never had Hatton in any serious trouble in their fight.

Hatton, by contrast, hits a hell of a lot harder than Larios or Marquez both of whom had Pacman in some trouble in their fights.

Hatton by brutal onesided beat-down.

Agreed. Who the hell would have dreamed Pac would be fighting Cotto, and next week it'll become reality? Amazing.

lol. this was a great thread. i still think Floyd's too big for Manny and Pac should look elsewhere regardless of next weekend's results.

Andy is d man.