Ray on points.

I think Leonard would stop him around the 10th of a fairly onesided fight. Floyd is just too small. I seriously doubt Floyd would even look in the direction of 47 if Leonard,Hearns & Duran were there.

I agree with Mark.

Hell, I'm not sure PBF would've gone to 147 when Tito, Ike and a young Oscar were in the house much less Duran, Hearns or Leonard?

I don't see what Floyd can do in this one. Leonard's better and quite a bit bigger.

Id have to go with Ray Leonard.The only advantage Floyd may have would be defense and that would be marginal.RL is bigger,just as fast and had more pop at `47.He fought and beat great Welterweights Floyd hasnt.

Ray by late stoppage. I see Floyd moving up to test Ray, but eventually moving back down (in weight) after finding out that Ray is a lot stronger than he looks.

I like Leonard here

Ray stops him. Better combination of speed and power at 147, and if Floyd tried to lay back and roll with shots, he'd get SMASHED with some pretty ridiculous combinations. He'd have to be extremely active in this fight and he'd have to really be moving his head and bobbing/weaving a lot more than he wants to off his front foot.

Plus Ray had legit KO power at 147.

Leonard in about 8-9.

Anyone who thinks Floyd stands a chance is either...

A. Mike being an asshole.

B. Stupid.

C. A Mayweather.

what about P4P?

Seems to me this match-up is pretty stacked in Leonar'd favour if you're gonna take his best weight vs Floyd at 17 lbs past his.

i'll bet you anything that Floyd would make this a very competitive fight p4p.

Knowing your hate for SRL, I know that you're saying p4p Floyd makes it competitive means you know Leonard would win.

I do too. SRL is an awful style matchup for Floyd. He can box just as well, has enough power to hurt Floyd, and has just as much if not more handspeed.

Leonard faced two guys who were on Floyd's level at welter and he didn't have an easy time with either. I said "competitive". Rematches would have been interesting in both cases, and may have put a dent in the invincibility that Leonard enjoys.

How would he beat him? Even p4p Leonard was stronger and faster and just as skilled.

Really? I don't think the gap is nearly as wide as you. Floyd is a very strong fighter. In fact, he usually does the bullying. And in his prime...not many are faster.

Ray is the more aggressive boxer, and that gives him a slight edge, but he's not gonna hit Floyd when he wants.

He might not hit Floyd when he wants but Floyd has never fought anyone with the footspeed of Leonard which is what I think makes this a 8-4 type decision in 12 or 9-6/10-5 type in 15. I know Floyd could go 15 no problem so I don't question that in the least.

I just picture Ray getting off the better combinations and throwing more punches when he's in the pocket. I very well could be harping too much on the Floyd we've seen the last 2 years, which I'll admit, but I just think Ray does most of the scoring in most of the rounds.

IMO Ray at 147 was about as fast as Floyd at 130, and on top of that, Ray consistently threw combinations...and a jab. A quick, accurate jab is exactly what's gonna throw Floyd off if you ask me. Especially if the guy is about as quick as he is, and hits much harder (yes, even on a PFP level).

Aside from that, stylistically, I've always said that one of the best ways to beat someone that's very awkward or unorthodox is to be as orthodox as possible. Ray wasn't quite textbook himself, but he was a lot more technically sound and by-the-book than Floyd and being able to match his speed and reflexes solidifies it.

I don't see where Floyd Jr. is this superfast fighter. I think he's such an accurate puncher that it gives him the illusion of being extremely quick.

I sort of agree, though I think his handspeed is definitely well above average. Most of it is his reflexes and ability to counter so quickly, the rest is accuracy and "sharpness." To be fair though, there have been a lot of guys who had quicker hands but didn't do as well as he's done. A guy like Meldrick Taylor may come to mind.

IMO Ray was just a more complete fighter and his style was honestly difficult to deal with. Not to say that Floyd's isn't, but stylistically I see more ways for Ray to win than the opposite.

In a P4P sense it would be a good match.Talent and skills are close...We know that Leonard can dig down and find another gear when the chips are down.We havnt seen Floyd in that situation yet.

I used to feel that way about Roy Jones.

TRANSLATION:

I'll take the proven guy in a tough situation over the overly-coddled little bitch with the over-inflated self-worth.

And I agree.



Thanks for breaking it down to us like that, Louie.

I'd like to see more of Floyd at 47 to see how well he can take a punch before picking whether Ray would win by decision or KO. So far at WW, Sharmba got hit for a few rounds, Baldomir missed him for 12 rounds and a Judah left caused him to touch his glove to the canvas.

OK but what about Floyd?

Fighting Hearns the first time, being a very dangerous fighter and a stylistic nightmare for Leonard, is more of a risk than anything Floyd's done. Add Hagler to it and there's no comparison at all.

So your trying to say that either of those two guys are more dangerous than Zab Judah? Do you think anyone in Brooklyn would believe that?

Good point ETM! Last I heard, Hearns was fighting at cruiseweight and I don't think Hagler EVER fought at 147! Neither of those two should be mentioned here or anywhere near a discussion that involves Judah!

Every now and then i think about the Hearns vs Judah theard for a good laugh. I think it was Explosivethinman that killed it in that theard "Judah would be dancing and clowning, faking the bolo"

Goddam it gets me everytime.

Where the hell is FredFlinstone?

I feel dumb now.

The thing with Leonard is he wasn't man enough to face a guy like Floyd. He always had trouble with quicker, stronger guys. Case in point the Norris & Camacho fights. I know people will claim that Leonard was past his prime but that is simply not true.

If his legs were gone for Norris. How was he able to outbox a prime Roberto Duran in his previous fight? Ray was a solid but highly overrated fighter. When the chips were down and push came to shove he had no heart.

Floyd owns him and detatches his other retina. mayweather by late tko.

...and Fred lives on...

If a 130lb. version of Hearns had ever existed, I think that Floyd would have fared well.

Flat on his face well?

Whatever. He would also have held his own against a 130lb Duran who's prime was at 122.

Doubtful. I don't think Mayweather would be able to trade with Duran at lightweight (I say lightweight because Duran often fought well below the 135 limit) or be able to keep Duran off of him.

BTW, Duran had just turned 19 the last time he fought below 130

The last time Duran fought even close to 122 pounds was in his 16th pro fight. Would you like to retort your previous comment ?

If Castillo gave Floyd hell thn Duran would have had no issue at lightweight gettin on the inside.

He would give Duran some difficulty with his style. Hearns would own him. Hearns could not be beat by boxers. Haven't seen Floyd at a disadvantage as far as boxing skills are concerned. He would be against Hearns.

Floyd eats a 100 jabs before he goes to sleep in 4. I don't think you could come up with a worse matchup for Floyd then Hearns. Floyd's talents wouldn't bother him in the least.

Hearns is a bad match up for pbf tommy had a great jab and he was a very good boxer.the problem he could face with pbf is that tricky defense.would Hearns get frustrated and instead of boxing go for a KTFO?The hearns that fought the second half of the SRL 1981 fight is a handful for pbf at 130.I don not know how well Tommy would react to a guy doing the PBF defense and he would not excatly be throwing bunches of punches tommy did not do that.

Bunches of jabs that disguise the right hand bomb coming behind them. He picked apart Leonard & Benitez. Wilfred was comparable to Floyd defensively.

What I was trying to say is that Floyd would have held his own if given the same natural size advantage over Duran that Leonard had (two weight classes).

If he was bigger then Duran he would still lose. But Floyd would not have been run over. If he employed more lateral movement he would have a better chance. Standing in the pocket with Duran was not good for health.

I almost pissed myself laughing when I saw this. A guy who went life and death with JL Castillo (who couldn't even be mistaken for a broke man's Duran) holds his own against Duran. Ho please.

Got a question for you though, just how do Floyd's balls taste?



I think Wilfred Benitez was better all around than Floyd.