Mosley admitted being part of the notorious BALCO scandal and should be crucified just like Marion Jones. I don't understand the double standard yea he's a nice guy and a throwback fighter but cheating is inexcusable.

Same with Roy to an extent he got caught after the Richard Hall fight but nobody said anything about it.
And remarkabely Toney and Vargas still had fans after they got caught. Mind boggling.

The more I try to let it go, the more they pull me back in.

Apparently he has missed all of your heavy lifting on this subject.

A free pass? It's been one of the most discussed topics on the boards outside of Manny's turn-ons, Manny's turn-offs, and what brand of socks Manny wears. When the BALCO thing was getting full attention, Shane even got mainstream media covering the dirt the way they never covered Marquez-Vasquez III.

Shane doesn't get deified, and you don't have to rethink his place in history based on the roid thing, because the time when he was most likely to be using them (his early run at 154) I have him 0-3 with 1 NC.

I think Shane gets away with it because technically he never got caught. Yes, he admitted to it when he was linked with BALCO, but he never fail a drug test, got suspended, etc. Not saying that it's right, but I think that's why.

I was very suspicious when Mosley beat Margarito like he did that he was doing something again.

But then when I found out Margarito liked to load his gloves, then my opinion was that Mosley was still good enough to beat the shit out of a tough clubfighter who wasn't allowed to cheat.

Go figure. I was reading an article by Pedro Fernandez a couple of years ago that insinuated that Tyson, Ruddock, Holyfield, Morrison, Pazienza, Golota, etc. were all using growth hormones. I personally think they probably were, but it's all just opinion.

I just don't think something like that is anything near as bad as loading your gloves, or taking the padding out of your gloves.

So I think the free pass is a mixture of some fighters not actually having a specific positive test as well as a pure apathy.

Paz and Morrison both admitted use of roids. Don't need an admission from Golota and Evander, those are fairly obvious.

With the exception of RJJ, didnt all the rest lose eventho they were on roids? Maybe thats why. Toney's roid use was for his torn achilles wasnt it?

Roy's wasn't even a real steriod. Try again!

Because steroids make you worse LOL



yeah because no positive test = non user. is that how it goes?

I gave Vargas a pass because I believed him when he said he didn't know what he was taking. And he lost. If he'd have won, then maybe I would have a different opinion.

I gave Toney a pass the first time I heard about it because his camp had a reasonable excuse with the surgery and all. I heard he got caught a second time and now I think he was cheating.

Mosley never got caught, so I don't know. He didn't do that well on them and now isn't using. In his case, I don't blame him, I blame the system for not catching it.

With Jones, no one noticed anything different and was never caught.

Aside from the punishments already thrown at them, I think when HOF comes calling, they shouldn't be voted in as first ballot. I think voters should purposefully bypass them the first year they are available as a silent acknowledgement of their steroid use.

Edit: As to why they get a 'free pass' in comparison to Olympians? The news barely covers boxing anyway, mainstream doesn't care if our fighters cheat unless a death results from it. And thankfully, that hasn't happened yet.

Wouldn't be surprised, it definitely wasn't for his conditioning.

He said him self that he looked like the blob in the fight that he tested positive for

No, but saying someone was roiding with no positive test and no circumstantial/tangential evidence = pointless/baseless accusation.

Did you think that up all by yourself? Or did you google it?

Roy and Mosely never failed a test, never got caught with roids. What more is there to say?

Its not like both of them have remarkably different bodies now that all of it got blown out of the water, neither suffered or gained huge advantages in power or speed before or since, both were incredible athletes going all the way back from when they were kids. I dont know what you want from them.

Oh hey, you're repeating the same asinine shit a thousand times over to avoid the fact that you said something dumb and to sidestep any real discussion, where you'd be totally out of your depth.

How unusual.

Roid use doesn't actually help improve a fighter's record, or at least I can't think of a case in which it has. It neither helped Mosley nor Vargas beat DLH. Even if a fighter wins a few matches I tend to think roids doesn't have a long term affect. If Holyfield was juicing it surely didn't turn him into a Barry Bonds type of performer.

With all that's been said, it's still a double standard and needs to be corrected. If it's illegal in one sport then the same should be applied to every other sport. You don't discourage a straight kid from having sex yet a gay kid gets off the hook just because he/she doesn't have to worry about pregnancy. I'm just saying, there shouldn't be a double standard. The message is clear: athletes are not allowed to cheat.

Supposedly, yeah. He also had other injuries that he was supposedly taking steroids for, but the odd thing about that, is that steroid use can weaken the exact parts of his body that he wound up injuring.



He didn't look too "blobby" right after the fight:



Aside from that, it's impossible to say someone's using just by looking at them.



Both Richard Hall and Roy tested positive for their fight, and it got swept under the rug.

This was reported on a couple years ago.

Thanks. Didn't feel like searching for it.

I'm actually surprised there are people who didn't know about this, because Chee made a huge deal about it back in the day.

Toney was absolutely using for the Booker fight. No questions about it, look at his physique. I would bet he did for the Jirov and Holy fights as well.

Jones blamed his positive test on the over the counter Ripped Fuel if I remember correctly.

I know of a woman who lets her lesbian 10 yr old daughter have sex with girls. She feels that if her daughter cannot get pregnant then she has nothing to worry about. It's clearly a double standard, because if she had a son she wouldn't let him do the same thing. Needless to say parents have a right to make their own set of rules according to their standards. But the focus should be directed to the message that parents are sending out. If a lesbian girl can have sex does that mean a hetero boy can have oral sex at the dinner table? If you have any hint of common sense you would find both situations outlandish, perhaps unethical.

It's just my roundabout way of telling you if it's wrong or discouraged on one end then the same should be applied to the other end. If my 10 yr old daughter shouldn't have sex, then my 10 yr old son gets the same treatment. If a baseball player isn't allowed to juice then a Boxer shouldn't be allowed to do it. You get the picture.

Actually, Shane's case is more definite than a positive test. You can have false positives, Shane admitted under oath that he took it. Not much to debate there.

You do remember correctly.

Hall's levels were 4x higher than Roy's, if I remember correctly.

what exactly did I say that's untrue?

you try way too hard. again, it's terribly pathetic.

I really don't care about steroid use in and of itself. If it is against the rules of a particular sport than it's up to them to police it. I'm sure that there are thousands of instances of holding penalties in football that don't get caught every season too.

IMO, we should just let all pro athletes do what they need to in order to become the best they can be. If it's roids, growth hormone, blood doping it really doesn't matter to me. What sucks is when one athlete is "enhanced" and the other is "natural." That's more of the problem IMO.

Huh? So you "know a woman" eh? And you haven't called Child Services on her yet? Good for you. MaxBoxing Poster of the Year, you are.

Take this bullshit to the TAA forum.



You also remember correctly.

The fact that they both popped for the same fight makes it pretty suspicious IMO. And I mean that in the sense that the tests were probably fucked up or they were false positives. But a few were saying Roy had never tested positive or that there was no evidence for that claim, when there clearly WAS.

Wow.

speaking of all this anyone hear about the courtcase in Minnesota basically saying that state law overrules the laws of saying sports leagues so if there isn't exacting rules that prohibit the use of PEDs in the workplace then it is not considered illegal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091102/ap_on_...fl_suspension_5

That's pretty interesting, but I'd imagine the leagues or commissions would have the final say as to who can or can't be licensed or participate. Just a guess though, I'm really not sure about it.

WHAT the fuck is this guy Blu talking about? I think thats the real issue here. Much more interesting than tired ass roid discussions.

How do you know her 10 year old is having sex with girls? What girls? You talk about this shit with the 10 year old or her mom? Jesus

Dude is a creep.

Worth noting specimen B tested negative.

I thought I'd said that in my response to prod, but apparently not.

Specimen b? REminds me of a dude i know that makes out with 11 year old boys, but its cool becuase they cant get pregnant. Which brings me back to boxing, and more specifically the WBC............etc etc

Golota was worst because the damn body acne, but Evan Fields was suspicious because he gained like 15 pounds of muscle for the rematch with Bowe, at 31 years old. It was pretty obvious that he was using something. As for the free pass, I don't know. In any other sport, except for football, athletes would get shitted on for using steroids. Look at baseball for example. But for boxing, I don't know what it is but steroid use doesn't elicit that anger.

I can't believe what he said.

I wasn't referring to any specific incident (eg RJJ), just the statement 4thafans made.

"avoid the fact that you said something dumb and to sidestep any real discussion"

Kind of funny you go on about how I quote, but then your rebuttals/comebacks consist entirely of a quote followed by an emoticon. For those handicapped with the idiom, such as yourself, emoticons must be a godsend.

I find your constant begging for attention from me to be amusing. You're like a little gay puppy.

the emoticon is simple enough for idiots like you to understand. and it only enrages you further, which is about as funny as your posts.

you trying to appear clever =

actually I've wondered before why varagas hasn't gotten more shit. no way did any of the others got a free pass.

My guess is it's because he wound up getting straight humiliated by a guy he talked ridiculous amounts of shit about. Not saying that makes it ok, just saying that probably has something to do with it.

the shit talking makes it even worse imo. and it's not like mosley hasn't been crucified on the boards for doping during a time he was getting fairly humiliated in the ring on the regular (not as bad as vargas admittedly).

The IBF has a list of banned substances. On that list was a substance called EPHEDRA which happen to be an ingredent in a product Jones used called RIPPED FUEL. As you know EPHEDRA isnt a real steriod yet the IBF has it on the list of banned substances. It was a learning experience for Jones.

I don't believe the guilty fighters you mentioned ever got a pass. If you are caught and you serve your time then people tend to forgive you more. Toney and Vargas did there time for example. If it doesn't come up again then people will see it as a one time deal and then move on. Toney was being exicuted before it came back that he really wasn't positive a few years ago.

If you hide it, or if it happens again then you get it worse. Thats why people jump on baseball players and that is what happened to MMA fighter Josh Barnett. You are forgiven if you are worthy.

Ah, the "I actually MEANT to appear to be an inarticulate tool" tactic. A favorite of anklebiters everywhere.