The undisputed cruiser weight champion of the world, David Haye, might talk alot of trash but the dude is bad mofo. He brings excitement to the dead heavyweight division and for the sake of the division, I hope he destroys Valuev.

As long as Haye sticks to his game plan, doesn't get to excited, use's his speed, foot work, he should be able to slay the beast, I'm picking a round 5 tko.

Come on Haye, bring the title home!

Valuev is 4 pounds heavier than when Holyfield was too mobile for him

video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rALFtiEvOlA

Won't really matter when Haye can't win a decision there.

is 97lbs the biggest discrepency in title fight history?

He was 328 against Monte Barrett who came in at 222 per boxrec. I remember that being talked about plenty as the biggest discrepancy in history. 106lbs.

Edit: Yikes. Apparently Etienne gave up 116lbs.

Sky Sports thursday build up show

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiT2B_T7xY8
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH5tuiuC_JA
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl2UKsHFxxk



think Haye is going to stop him anways. just mentioned it because i thought that he would try and negate Haye's speed as much as possible by coming in lighter and trimmer. If a 46 year old Holyfield's movement troubled him, Haye should easily be able to pick and choose any exchanges and get out of there before he gets anything back.

He would be 225 if he shaved his body. Jesus if i was Haye they would have to pay me and extra hundred grand just to be pressed up against that disgusting hairy mess of a body all night.

Haye looks more like a true Heavyweight now... reminicent of Tyson and Holyfield in terms of Physical apearance.


Lets see what he can do vs Shreck.

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I'm looking forward to this fight more than Dawson-Johnson II. As much as I was pissed off when Haye pulled all that crap with the Klitschko bros. I still want to see Haye knock the wookie out.

WAR HAYMAKER!

when Haye KTFO Valuev, will he enter the top 3 p4p?

I'd have to say yes. I could see it going with Wlad as champ, Vitali number 1, Povetkin and Haye fighting over 2 and 3 with Eddie Chambers at 4.

However, if Valuev wins convincingly (no hometown decision), I think he should be considered top 3 as well.

I think Haye's gonna have a tough time connecting clean on Valuev's big-ass head, but I think he's quick enough to out-do Valuev more often than not. I just have difficulty believing Valuev's gonna be stopped when he's gotten every benefit of every doubt there before. He's been cleanly and clearly beaten before, and still pulled out the decision...multiple times.



Now you know how Ilian feels.



Why would he?

Well, although I don't agree with it, Haye is ranked by most in the top ten of the heavyweight division. I've seen him ranked at about 6. Valuev tends to come in around 4. If Haye stops the giant who has never been stopped, you'd have to put him at 4 minimum, but I think if it is a KO, has to be at least 3. Maybe 2 if it is impressive enough stuff. A man who can KO Valuev is a man who can KO the Klitschkos.

better video of the weighin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVdY_J-o7k



p4p means pound for pound, you dumb cunt

The former undisputed cruiser weight champion, won a 2nd division championship at heavyweight, by destroying a able heavyweight champion, a man 100 lbs heavier and nearly 2 ft taller than him.

Missed that. I was obviously referring to the heavyweight division. Thanks for putting me in my place, asshole.

As for p4p, maybe if he KO's both Klitschkos he could crack the top ten.

Nevermind, you were already "put in your place." Kidding, you just misread. No worries.



That's great, but he'd have a handful of good wins in two very weak divisions.

There is absolutely no way he'd deserve to be ranked ahead of 6 or 7 other top PFP players who have done much more and against much better fighters.

If I was Valuev's personal public relations consultant I'd have him go by the name "Nicky"...


much more fan friendly !

On paper that makes some sense. However, Holyfield is a man that fought fighters that were bigger than him for a good part of his career. This is the biggest event of Haye's career, it was maybe the 20th biggest of Holy's. Maybe.

For all I know, David could go Jack Dempsey on the big guy. He could also fade over the stretch when he cleanly hits the guy over and over again and the guy doesn't budge.

This is an intriguing matchup to be sure, but nothing David could do in this fight would show me that he would be anything other than annihilated be Wlad or Vitali.

Haye is going to be the first guy to beat him up.

Agreed.

Fuck I hope so. I don't want to see a distance fight either. The shorter a Valuev appearance the better.

Valuev should have fought a Klit long ago, which shows how little faith his people have in him.

Valuev by stop in the second half of the fight.

Weight isn't the biggest difference, it is age, a few milion years.

Not a chance. Easy Haye victory for mine.

warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr HAYE!!

War Hayemaker!!!!

Friday buildup show

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zybo5KJ9J0
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRinr6RMJWI
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYyPHOnStNM

We need heavyweights who fight three or four times a year. Not once a year or less. If Haye wins, then he needs to get his ass in the ring within four months, on HBO or Showtime, against a quality opponent.

Oh wait, he will have to fight John Ruiz as his mandatory.

So forget about that fight being on TV.

Valuev is terrible. Haye should win.

Nicolay Valuev-David Haye: The Pre-Fight Report Card

By Cliff Rold

Anyone bored by the Heavyweight division, outside of Germany, can raise their hands?

It probably looks like the first global “wave.”

It doesn’t have to be this way. It will take a while for anything to make the division good, but this weekend it can at least become something it has not been for a while. It can become interesting.

Much of that will depend on the outcome. If the titlist in the contest retains, there is little to get excited about. What there is to know is already known. He’s really big, fundamentally sound, and gets some favorable decisions when he is otherwise outmatched. And he’s as exciting to watch as paint already dried most of the time.

The challenger is different. He come to fight, throws big shots, has exceptional speed, and a personality which can move the gate. But is he a serious Heavyweight? We don’t know yet and there isn’t really any evidence one way or the other.

Heavyweight boxing can become interesting by Sunday. It is for at least a day on Saturday.

Let’s go to the report card.

The Ledgers

Nicolay Valuev
Age: 36
Titles: WBA Heavyweight (2008-Present, 1 Defense)
Previous Titles: WBA Heavyweight (2005-07, 3 Defenses)
Height: 7’0
Weight: 315 lbs.
Average Weight – Last Five Fights: 318 lbs.
Hails from: Saint Petersburg, Russia
Record: 50-1, 34 KO
Record in Championship Fights: 6-1, 3 KO
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Defeated: 3 (John Ruiz, Sergei Lyakhovich, Evander Holyfield)
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Faced in Defeat: 1 (Ruslan Chagaev)

Vs.

David Haye
Age: 29
Title: None
Previous Titles: World Cruiserweight (2007-08, 1 Defense); WBC/WBA (2007-08, 1 Defense); WBO 2008
Height: 6’3
Weight: 218 lbs.
Average Weight – Last Five Fights: 206 lbs.
Hails from: London, England, United Kingdom
Record: 22-1, 21 KO
Record in Championship Fights: 2-0, 2 KO
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Defeated: 3 (Giacobbe Fragomeni, Jean Marc Mormeck, Enzo Maccarinelli)
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Faced in Defeat: 1 (Carl Thompson)

Read the rest at: http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23308

Both should just drop the belt instead of fight Ruiz. The pecking order of the HWs is clearly established, whoever wins this afternoon needs to fight a Klitschko or maybe Povetkin.

dunno, if Haye shows he can sell tickets and get on Showtime or HBO he wont have to deal with getting low balled by the Klitshckos. i reckon he should fight Ruiz in london then take a fight in the states before he goes for the klitschkos again

does anyone else see a face in the big man's hairy body?

looks like a battle-tired version of the orc chief from return of the king

Damn, I saw an orc too.

I think Haye will be able to strafe Valuev, cut him and stop him. However, if Haye is too wide open, never know what can happen when facing a guy that big. He hasn't knocked a guy down or out since Owen Beck, so it's not all that likely. Some people might say Haye's going to save the heavyweight division, but he's fighting for the WBA strap. He won't be able to shake shitty WBA fights and the Ruiz-Chagaev carousel. Hopefully he takes two or three decent fights and drops the belt.

Fair enough. But I don't think a WB-whatever belt will be much of a negotiating tool. Rather than risk a stinker against Ruiz he'd be better off decapitating Fraudley, Skelton or that Irish cab driver in the UK and then taking out Chambers or Brock in the US before going back to the negotiating table.

I hate when life gets in the way of boxing. I won't be able to see Haye beat the ogre up.

Valuev by KO?? With what? A jab?

This will be a 12-0 fight for Haye on any reasonable card. That said, I imagine the scores will be close.

I have to think the longer the fight, the more it favors Valuev. Haye hasn't gone the distance as a Cruiser, let alone Heavy, since 2006. No way to tell how he does in the later rounds with a big guy like Valuev leaning on him occasionally. Should be interesting.

no i think the belt is big, the klits have made it clear that they want all the belts. keeping it will definately be a priority. if i was his manager id have him do the mando in london then fight Adamek in NJ, then go for Wlad.

If he is worth a shit as a Heavyweight elite then Ruiz will fall before him the way he did David Tua. Only the mediocre lose to John Ruiz. He is the proverbial gatekeeper for the Heavies.

Hayemaker!!!!Hayemaker!!!!Hayemaker!!!!

Can someone with the power to do so start deleting these threads or condensing them?

Kthx bai.

Valuev has shown good stamina, but have to take into account his ridiculous size. being that big takes a massive toll and while he has been alive for 36 years, his body is probably equivalent to mid 40s.

I believe the first 4 rounds will be feeling out rounds, with action picking up in round 3. Haye has his best chance to take Valuev out between rounds 4-8.

After that, he could find himself in trouble. Remember the last time Haye got KO'ed...he expanded so much energy trying to knock the other guy out that gassed and got KO'ed himself.

When fighting a man this big, Haye is going to expand a lot of energy clinching, moving and throwing upward. It's just the nature of the fight. Haye has a good chance of getting tired from round 8 onward, where Valuev could club him into the canvas. Haye's KO record is nice, but it doesn't lend himself to prepare for 12 rounds of rubbing his face against the rug and getting clubbed.

can anyone do a side by side comparison/