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slickvik
He just seems bored with boxing talking about retirement he's not really up for the rematch either. What do you all think?
CommanderVander
He is a boring fighter.
He is a boring interview.

He does not inspire any sort of fan support.

No doubt he has a lot of talent, but, I don't see anyone jumping up and down worshiping the dude.

He should beat Johnson just on youth and talent. He'll be tested again, though.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to really be anyone at 175 to test him.
Cloud and Pascal might give him a good fight.
Maybe he'll move up to cruiser and fight Cunningham.
The Super Six talk is just a huge bluff.
AndrewP
The guy is wrapped in a cocoon of boredom.


Kyle97
Plenty of people on his nuts though, saying he is the future. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't but I haven't seen anything to indicate that yet. Maybe this Saturday will be the first sign for me.
PWillIsGod
He is the man and will show it once again on Saturday. Pac has been talking about retirement for years, Ali talked about it for decades. I wouldn't make too much of it. Guys are always miserable in training camp and they say shit.

Williams and Dawson will be the two best fighters on earth for years, performing in front of empty arenas and to internet fans disdain. Chad aint losing anytime soon.
boner
QUOTE(CommanderVander @ Nov 5 2009, 02:11 PM) *

Cloud and Pascal might give him a good fight.


These are fights that need to happen. Dawson-Pascal in Montreal could be huge. But first Chad has to impress on Saturday. Glen Johnson is a beast but just barely surviving him is not enough for a guy with pfp claims.
omarakavinnie
That fight would be tight. I would favor Pascal because he is athletically at about the same level as Dawson, but Pascal has more heart and quality experience than Dawson. Many fans are getting carried away with the Dawson's 2 victories over Tarver. If Dawson was the man he would have pressed the gas and KO Tarver, who has no legs nor stamina.
boxer777
He's not motivated because he's been fighting the same fighters for years now. Hopkins won't fight him, and there aren't many interesting fights at 175.

If I were to compare Dawson's mental state, it would be to one of a man who feel like he's stuck at a dead-end job. I also sense a bit of envy in the Super Six. People are all hype up about the whole event and he's only 7 lbs away.

I really believe that he just wants to be in big fights. Provided that he beats Johnson and Taylor pulls out...he should really try to get that empty slot in the Super Six. It'll put some motivation back into his career again.
PWillIsGod
QUOTE(omarakavinnie @ Nov 6 2009, 03:36 AM) *

That fight would be tight. I would favor Pascal because he is athletically at about the same level as Dawson, but Pascal has more heart and quality experience than Dawson. Many fans are getting carried away with the Dawson's 2 victories over Tarver. If Dawson was the man he would have pressed the gas and KO Tarver, who has no legs nor stamina.



I like Pascal well enough, but Chad has as much heart as anybody and Froch + Diacanu is not > Johnsonx2, Tarverx2 & Adamek. Not even close to it.

Jean has a shot if they fight, but the quality experience comment is way off.
boner
QUOTE(omarakavinnie @ Nov 5 2009, 08:36 PM) *

That fight would be tight. I would favor Pascal because he is athletically at about the same level as Dawson, but Pascal has more heart and quality experience than Dawson. Many fans are getting carried away with the Dawson's 2 victories over Tarver. If Dawson was the man he would have pressed the gas and KO Tarver, who has no legs nor stamina.


I'd say that their experience is about equal, and that Dawson is by quite a bit the better boxer. Pascal seems more willing to go to war, but we've no reason to question Dawson's heart yet. He was impressive in the first Tarver fight and in his win over Adamek, although it should be noted that Adamek left most of his fight with the scale (Adamek's problem of course). I'd favour Dawson in a sharp fight.

edit: and I don't get the "not motivated" stuff. dude is fighting good comp and making great HBO money
omarakavinnie
QUOTE(PWillIsGod @ Nov 5 2009, 08:03 PM) *

I like Pascal well enough, but Chad has as much heart as anybody and Froch + Diacanu is not > Johnsonx2, Tarverx2 & Adamek. Not even close to it.

Jean has a shot if they fight, but the quality experience comment is way off.


If Chad had as much heart as you state, then Chad would have given Johnson an immediate rematch. Lets get real, the main reasons Dawson is giving a rematch to Johnson are because Dawson is getting punked into fighting him and because Johnson is his only current option according to HBO.

There is no point to bring up Tarver X2. Tarver was faded when the 1st fight took place. Also he hasn't fought Johnson in the rematch yet, so it is pointless to mention that as support that Dawson has more experience.

I think Dawson is a good fighter who has the potential to become great. I think it is a bit premature to be claiming he is the new king.


QUOTE(boner @ Nov 5 2009, 08:12 PM) *

I'd say that their experience is about equal, and that Dawson is by quite a bit the better boxer. Pascal seems more willing to go to war, but we've no reason to question Dawson's heart yet. He was impressive in the first Tarver fight and in his win over Adamek, although it should be noted that Adamek left most of his fight with the scale (Adamek's problem of course). I'd favour Dawson in a sharp fight.

edit: and I don't get the "not motivated" stuff. dude is fighting good comp and making great HBO money


I question Dawson's heart because he was very adamant against giving Johnson a rematch.

Too much credit is being given to Dawson's wins over Tarver.

browerkid
QUOTE(boner @ Nov 5 2009, 08:04 PM) *

These are fights that need to happen. Dawson-Pascal in Montreal could be huge. But first Chad has to impress on Saturday. Glen Johnson is a beast but just barely surviving him is not enough for a guy with pfp claims.



I just don't see Pascal giving Dawson much of a fight.....I mean he lost to Froch, and I think if Froch ever fought Dawson at any weight he would get absolutely clowned.

Its also an experience thing...how many B level and above guys has Pascal even fought??
boner
QUOTE(omarakavinnie @ Nov 5 2009, 09:46 PM) *

I think Dawson is a good fighter who has the potential to become great. I think it is a bit premature to be claiming he is the new king.

I question Dawson's heart because he was very adamant against giving Johnson a rematch.


Agree completely with first point.

I see your second point as well. I guess Chad, without HBO contract at the time, was looking for more lucrative fights than the Johnson rematch. When he couldn't get them he took an "easy" name in Tarver. The Tarver rematch was forced and now he's back with Johnson. Let's see if he can win for real this time.

QUOTE(browerkid @ Nov 5 2009, 09:55 PM) *

I just don't see Pascal giving Dawson much of a fight.....I mean he lost to Froch, and I think if Froch ever fought Dawson at any weight he would get absolutely clowned.


Froch is not a bum. Pascal shouldn't have gone to war, but hung in there anyway. Styles make fights, so yeah Dawson beats Froch easy. But Pascal is tough for anyone.
HitB
Dawson vs Johnson II will probably be fairly similar to the first match, except I don't think Johnson will come on quite as strong in the later rounds. Dawson should win by UD. And he wouldn't have problems with Pascal, who isn't terrible by any means, but as PWill pointed out he hasn't fought the higher level of opposition that Dawson has, and has a clear loss to one of said lower level guys in Froch.

That said, while Dawson is impressive as it is, he's one of those guys I watch fight and see the talent but always end up feeling like he could have done more in there. Hopefully that changes soon.
PWillIsGod
QUOTE(omarakavinnie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:46 AM) *

If Chad had as much heart as you state, then Chad would have given Johnson an immediate rematch. Lets get real, the main reasons Dawson is giving a rematch to Johnson are because Dawson is getting punked into fighting him and because Johnson is his only current option according to HBO.

There is no point to bring up Tarver X2. Tarver was faded when the 1st fight took place. Also he hasn't fought Johnson in the rematch yet, so it is pointless to mention that as support that Dawson has more experience.

I think Dawson is a good fighter who has the potential to become great. I think it is a bit premature to be claiming he is the new king.
I question Dawson's heart because he was very adamant against giving Johnson a rematch.

Too much credit is being given to Dawson's wins over Tarver.



You're entitled to your opinion, to say Pascal has more experience at the highest level is just plain wrong. Tarver may have been faded, but he was still a Top5 Light Heavyweight. It isn't even close. The Johnson fight was the epitome of heart, I honestly can't even understand where you're coming from. He has climbed off the deck to win more than once and never even went down against Glen. How often have you seen Chad use his speed to run or clutch like Dirrell when he is hurt?

As for the Dawson/Johnson rematch, it's happening so your complaints there are also quite lame. He went for a bigger money fight with tarver and had to satisfy a rematch clause, now its right back to Johnson. he always takes on the best available competition and has flat out begged for fights with Calzaghe and Hopkins.

Dislike him or call him overrated all you want. But your complaints about him facing top fighters and having no balls are completely fictitious.
AndrewP
No problems here with the opposition Dawson is facing.

I had a bad impression of him in that post fight interview after the Johnson fight when he was quite clear in not wanting a Johnson rematch. "I want to move on to bigger and better". Which is fine, except he just escaped by a razor's edge in a fight that he might not have won. I didn't like that.

I give him credit though. The rematch is here now and let's see what happens this time. Hopefully Johnson wins and sets up more interesting fights.
weadazoid
I think he said what he said about moving on because he was chasing Tarver down, and giving Glen an instant rematch lets Tarver wriggle away. Bad Chad had been the under card on another SHO saturday night with Tarver and they had supposedly arranged to fight eachother after that but Tarver wriggled out.,...


Chad needed to press for a fight with the 'recognized' champ right then and there.


He is an honearable guy, he honored the rematch with Tarver and then instead of taking an EASY fight with Cloud to keep the belt Tarver held he was happy enough to just drop it and give a fight to Johnson.



He may not have Charisma, he may be dull in persona but he damn sharp in that ring.
Integrital
I'm not really a big fan of Dawson, but I can't fault him for the Tarver fights much, because it was a situation where a lot of people felt he wouldn't be "legit" until he faced someone like a Tarver or Hopkins (more so the latter). The first Johnson fight seemed to give Chad a bit of a kick in the ass, because he got rocked badly more than once but gained a ton of experience, but it was also kind of a no-win situation with the fans because Johnson is old, isn't a big puncher and nobody looks good against him.

I personally thought he lost the first fight, but wasn't surprised he got the decision.

At this point I'd have to saw Johnson has probably lost a couple steps even since they met last, so there won't be a late-rounds rally for Dawson to stave off like last time.

Aficionado
QUOTE(HitB @ Nov 6 2009, 02:18 AM) *

Dawson vs Johnson II will probably be fairly similar to the first match, except I don't think Johnson will come on quite as strong in the later rounds. Dawson should win by UD. And he wouldn't have problems with Pascal, who isn't terrible by any means, but as PWill pointed out he hasn't fought the higher level of opposition that Dawson has, and has a clear loss to one of said lower level guys in Froch.

That said, while Dawson is impressive as it is, he's one of those guys I watch fight and see the talent but always end up feeling like he could have done more in there. Hopefully that changes soon.

I agree with this. I got Chad by a close decision though.

I'd like him and Cloud to face off. I know he hasn't proven much but I think that's a tough fight for Dawson.

Kyle97
Regardless who wins, I'd love to see the winner this Saturday to take on Hopkins.
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