So people don’t accuse me of revising history, I will call it now and not later. Miguel Cotto is so shot, Ivan Robinson just texted him asking for his legs back.

And please don’t come with the whole Cotto beat Clottey crap; Clottey would find a way to lose a whose darker contest against an albino.



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"Clottey would find a way to lose a whose darker contest against an albino."

thats actually pretty accurate.

I read somewhere on the board yesterday that Clottey is an entertaining fighter.

If KALIZ hated Manny any moire, he'd be a Bic razor.

Im definitely in!!!

But let me wait jumping in until if Manny wins.

Cotto will lose because yes indeed, he has lost a little something. But also because Pac is going to be hard to deal with. Cotto's not shot though. But I praise you for coming out and saying it pre-fight rather than post fight.

LOVE TEH SPUNK THERE KITTY LARUE!!!

already trying to discredit the win. nice.

LOL Cotto has lost once, and its a tainted win at that. And PAC will get no credit for the win? Cotto may have lost a step after getting hit wit bricks for 11 rounds, but lets not forget that it was Marg who was crushed his next time out, whereas Cotto has toughed out a W over Clottey. PAC gets full credit if he wins!

err not that I am choosing sides and shit but


Mosley>>>>>>Clottey

all day err day

I feel the same way. As much as I hate to sound cliche, Cotto has lost something.

If this was pre-Margarito Cotto, I'd be picking him but he didn't exactly look good against Clottey. I still give him a chance because I don't know how much pressure Manny can actually apply on Miguel but his speed is definitely going to pose problems.

I still think poor Miguel got beat with bricks for 11 rounds and that took something out of him but Manny is also just that good. I do think Miguel will actually win some rounds unlike Pacquiao's last 3 opponents.

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Nah, just kidding. Cotto's gonna stomp all over Pac in the late rounds, but unless he comes in looking like DLH, this would be maybe the most significant win of Pacquiao's career should he pull it off. And that's a crazy thought considering everything he's already done.

Cotto had a hard time with Clottey and all of a sudden he's shot? Sheesh.

So how come people weren't downplaying Margarito's ability when he got a close decision win over Clottey? In fact everyone was predicting he would run all over Paul Williams but that surely didn't happen. Granted Cotto was troubled in the fight with Clottey but...making a few mistakes does not mean you fail a test. Besides, Cotto has been hurt a few times in the past but has shown ability to overcome adversity. So tell me, how does getting hurt by Clottey any different than getting hurt by Torres or Corley? Cotto was actually more hurt in the fight against Torres since he was staggered, got knocked down. He still came back to KO Torres. There really isn't a good reason to believe he is shot; he's still young at under 30 yrs of age.

You might say Pac is one of the greatest finishers in the game. But then I can easily point out that he could not finish a small guy in Marquez when he had 24 rounds to do so. Couldn't put away a shot Barrera in '07. Also had Larios hurt but had to settle for UD win. Nice wins over DLH and Hatton but c'mon...DLH was a corpse before the fight and Floyd exposed Hatton's glass jaw. I'm not undermining Pac's ability, all I'm saying is he's human and isn't always successful when he looks for the KO.

Anyway, Pacman will beat Cotto but not because he is light years ahead of him; not because Cotto is shot. The biggest difference in the fight will be Roach's game plan. I just don't see Cotto's young, inexperienced trainer outsmarting Roach. Pac (and Roach) gets full credit if or when he wins.

Dont think Cotto is totally shot, BUT definately think he is not the fighter he was pre Marg or even Pre Mosely(that was a brutal fight as well). Not to shit on Cotto, he got beaten up by a guy with loaded gloves for 11 rounds, anyone would be less of a fighter after that. I was just shocked that his reflexes did not look good against Clottey and his punches were wider and not as sharp as we are used to seeing Cotto. Clottey lost that fight against Cotto, if he pressed at all he wouldve probally stopped Cotto.

He caught a plaster-cast beating, has lost a step, and is fighting at a bullshit catchweight.

But in spite of all that, I still think he has a good shot.

He is not the same fighter. Been saying this for a while. Won't go as far as shot, but if he was and I didn't see it, it wouldn't be a surprise to me.

Cotto is all man. I will be rooting for him. But his face is practically a magnet for punches in this fight.

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There was an epic thread labeled "Margarito got exposed" I forget how many pages it was but it was huge.

This is Pac's most dangerous fight of his career, easily. He should get full credit for the win, just like if Cotto wins he better get full credit. I think this is the definition of a 50/50 fight.

If it's one leverage that Cotto has it's his weight advantage. Without hesitation Roach has gone on record to say Cotto can show up at any weight he desires without penalty. If I'm Cotto I'm coming in at 147.

People are acting like Cotto should have ran Clottey over when Margarito couldn't with plaster in this hands. Margarito no doubt had similar type of padding in his hands and he couldn't put dent on Clottey. Margarito had to throw a Compubox record of 1,675 punches in that fight only to win a very close decision.

Bring up the prediction thread for the Cotto-Clottey and you have a lot of people expecting Cotto to bulldoze a fighter that Margarito couldn't with loaded gloves. I don't understand the logic.

I believe people are taking it out on Cotto for not living up to their unrealistic, and almost illogical expectations. It's no fault of Cotto because he is what he is, a very good fighter with the heart and mind of a warrior. If you made the mistake of thinking he's a demigod, then it's your fault, not his.

Still, I firmly believe Clottey is one hard ass mofo and will give anyone trouble, aside from maybe PWill. My guess is if Pac would have trouble with Clottey then I shouldn't expect Cotto to dominate Clottey. If people are already assuming Pac will destroy Cotto then might as well refrain from creating threads about them and focus on Pac-Mayweather threads (not that I think there's a shortage of them). Just sayin.

i like teddy, but i don't have to agree with everything he says. during the clottey fight, cotto did look a bit slower than usual and was there for the taking. but found a way to suck it up and win. i think he is a bit faded but nowhere way passed his prime. if pac beats him it won't be because cotto is damaged goods. it would be because pac is a better fighter, fighting at a weight that he is more comfortable in.

I agree, just pointing out that Marg got shit for struggling too. Guess it was more merited then cuz Clottey was an unknown fighter. Clottey makes everyone look shot, I knew it would be a tough fight for Cotto.

Cotto would never have looked really good against Clottey. Always a tough fight, any point of his career.

Pacquiao deserves plenty of credit if he beats Cotto.

Ban this idiot.

lol so true.........Cotto was the naturally smaller guy in that fight against a guy with an amazing chin.....if you picked Cotto by ko in that fight you were either not paying attention or your an impartial homer.

Clottey is hard for anybody to look good against but Cotto definitely is wearing a little thin in the tires.

what Cotto needs to do in this fight is fight like Margarito did to him, come forward, cut the ring off and hit anything he can. The gap in talent and skill is smaller between pac and cotto than it was between cotto and marg. Hit Pac everywhere, arms, shoulders, elbows, hips, balls just get in there and rough him up. He has pretty much been the smaller, weaker man in his last 3 major fights Mosely, Clottey and Marg. miguel needs to fight a very, very rough and boderline dirty fight to win this one.

Indeed. Cotto may have lost a step, who knows, but I don't think we have any decent way to judge it yet. He blows out Jennings and struggles with a stylistic nightmare while dealing with a gigantic cut. Verdict may still be out but his heart, balls, and punching power I'm sure of.

I agree, but use the jab and dont try to eat punches like Marg. I hope the fight goes something like the Quintana one. Even for the first few, then Cotto pours it on once he see's he can hurt PAC and smashes him back to 140. But PAC winning would be just as good, he the truth too.

You mad!

Look everyone, he's all mad!

I think it's fair to say:

-Cotto's lost a little something
-Pacquiao's speed is going to be hard to overcome
-Cotto cutting an additional couple of pounds might become a factor.

Like I said, I don't think Cotto is shot. I do think that he's been in fights that have been punishing throughout his career and he's starting to show effects. Being less than he was a few years ago, and facing the man with the fastest hands in boxing, while not having the best defense, is all going to show in the ring.

He cannot box well enough to keep Manny from steam rolling him and I don't think he's going to be able to get a whole lot of offense working going forward. He'll have a few moments but I fully expect Pacquiao to punish him throughout.

I agree Cotto has lost a LIL step but still have more in the tank than most, especially in the heart department.
PAC's speed will be tough but Cotto has neutralized speed before against SSM, a good jab and timing are key both of which Cotto has.
I hope Cotto comes in at 147.

I just want to remind you that PAC also doesnt have the best defense and that Cotto has always been able to land plenty on ALL of his opponents. There seems to be an assumption by many that PAC will be able to take Cotto's punches and that Cotto wont be able to take PAC's. I dont agree at all. PAC has looked great against a drained DLH and an already cracked Hatton. It did take him a ton of punches to finish Diaz and he never finished JMM. If those guys can stand up to PAC's punches.....I believe Cotto will also, especially after facing guys like Clottey, SMM, and brick handed Marg. Anyhow, if anyone gets steamrolled it will be PAC....I see it something like the Quintana fight. However, I definetly think PAC can catch Cotto with something and finish.....cant wait for the fight.

Lot of talk about Cotto's heart and I realized we don't hear much about Pacquiao's heart. Is it because he comes in such great shape we confuse conditioning with heart? I'm not sure. I'm sure the man has some serious heart but cannot point to one particular moment where it was him. Usually it is his opponents (Morales 1, Marquez 1) that come to mind showing heart.

Manny deserves all the credit with a win simply because Cotto has a great shot in this fight. I believe he will suprise the PacMan with timing, an excellent jab, and his ability to close the distance with quick shuffling feet. I think Miguel will also offer a little movement himself to make Pac come in at different points in the bout and give him different looks. What suprised most fighters in the past, especially quicker ones like Quintana, Paulie, Zab, and Shane was Cotto's ability to look lackadaisical then out of nowhere close the gap with a quick and accurate jab (very stiff one at that), or combo up and down. The fact that he varied his offense also helped.

Against the bigger guys (most opponents as of late) Cotto has had to resort to moving more and his offense becomes more predictable especially toward the closing minutes of the mid rounds and the latter rounds in general. Cotto wll not be at a size or reach disadvantage here and has the potential to negate much of Manny's speed with good timing and jab. Miguel is much more resilient than Hattan or Diaz and should be able to weather any early storms. I expect to see some of the early Cotto in this fight, i.e., circle some, dart in with a combo here and there, and rough house some.

At the current odds, Cotto looks like a decent bet.

everything that he said.i mean that literally to ha

He wound up showing heart in the (I think) 7th round of the first Marquez fight when JMM clocked him with that right hand and Manny basically fell back into the ropes. A few seconds later he was jumping all over JMM.

He was stunned a few times against Morales and wound up firing right back too.

Not sure if you'd call that "heart," "balls," "tenacity" or what, but many of those terms are pretty much interchangeable.