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shadowx
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Bernard thinks the Pacman will beat Cotto but atlas said that Cotto is damage goods because of his fight with Clottey. I completely disagree he won even with a bad cut from the 3rd round impeding his sight. I never saw him seeing ghost as teddy said.
boxer777
Teddy seems to be the main source of this misinformation about Cotto being damaged good. He spits it out every chance he get and act like he knew what he was talking about. He did it again on Wednesday night.

He talks about Clottey letting Cotto off, but everyone who watched Clottey knew he has a bad habit of not throwing punches in stretches. Cotto was taking advantage of Clottey being Clottey.

Clottey is one of the toughest guys in boxing. There is no evidence that anyone can blow him out at 147 giving his granite chin, solid defense and good technical skills. If Cotto was so damaged, he wouldn't have lasted the distance. He fought with more heart in that fight than I've ever seen him after that nasty cut.
Redcloud
QUOTE(shadowx @ Nov 5 2009, 03:01 PM) *

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Bernard thinks the Pacman will beat Cotto but atlas said that Cotto is damage goods because of his fight with Clottey. I completely disagree he won even with a bad cut from the 3rd round impeding his sight. I never saw him seeing ghost as teddy said.


I agree. I thought Cotto showed the heart of a lion hanging in there with Clottey. Cotto could have punked out and said he was unable to fight due to the cut but he chose to fight on in the face of adversity. I will be rooting for Pac next weekend but I think he will have a tough time facing a guy like Cotto, who doesn't have any quit in him and can bang to the body.
SANJUANMOSTWANTED
We won’t be able to confirm that Cotto is damaged goods until Manny wins.
BigFiasco
i think pac is gonna beat him pretty good...but not b/c cotto is damaged goods, but because manny is just better plain and simple.
shadowx
I see Cotto wining by TKO in the 8th he will press manny and is just too big and versital for Manny coming up. Unlike DLH or Hatton Cotto can punch is in his prime(unlike DLH) and has way more tools(Hatton). Manny has a huge heart as well but i see Cotto winning.

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CommanderVander
QUOTE(boxer777 @ Nov 5 2009, 08:18 PM) *

Teddy seems to be the main source of this misinformation about Cotto being damaged good. He spits it out every chance he get and act like he knew what he was talking about. He did it again on Wednesday night.

He talks about Clottey letting Cotto off, but everyone who watched Clottey knew he has a bad habit of not throwing punches in stretches. Cotto was taking advantage of Clottey being Clottey.

Clottey is one of the toughest guys in boxing. There is no evidence that anyone can blow him out at 147 giving his granite chin, solid defense and good technical skills. If Cotto was so damaged, he wouldn't have lasted the distance. He fought with more heart in that fight than I've ever seen him after that nasty cut.

I actually agree with Teddy in this instance.

Let's pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto the night of the Clottey fight. Does anyone not doubt that if had been Pac in with Cotto for those last 6 rounds that Pac would not only have won that fight, but, that he would have knocked him out as well?

It's one thing to "survive" against Clottey. It's another to "survive" against Pac.
blu
Well, guess what? Atlas predicted Hatton would beat Pac. Yeah, that went well, didn't it? I'm not saying Atlas will be wrong about the Pac-Cotto fight. In this case he's made a bad assessment. There's no way Pac would dominate Clottey. So why are people assuming Cotto had trouble handling a weak opponent? Cotto was fighting at a high level; Clottey is just a hard, tough customer. He put Margarito through hell, didn't he?!! People love to jump to conclusions. They expect an elite fighter to dominate every single opponent. They talked the same shit when Pac couldn't KO Barrera in their second fight.

I understand Pac has devastating power. But he is still human. Marquez was able to handle his power. DLH, as weak as he was, was taking all kinds of shots yet still didn't go down to the canvas. I feel that if Cotto can use his jab affectively he can keep Pac at bay.

People tend to forget that both Margarito and Clottey are guys who are are bigger than Cotto. It took a bigger, possibly loaded-gloved man to break down Cotto. I think Pacman will win the fight due to going in with a better strategic game plan. But I am sick and tired of people undermining Cotto.

I've heard it all: "He can't box," "He's too slow," "He's very hittable," "He's not the same anymore..."

These types of comments even come from a credible veteran like Fred Roach. Wtf? Did he not see how Cotto boxed beautifully against Margarito? Does he not know that Cotto has a very affective jab? He murdered Jennings, didn't he? Nobody paid attention to that fight but they're overlooking the fact that Cotto still has pop.
shadowx
I just don't see Pacman walking down Cotto he is the smaller fighter. I expect Cotto to be the one going forward in this fight. Cotto only Box when he is fighting bigger fighter like Ndou, Margarito, Clottey. In this fight I see Cotto putting the pressure with Manny boxing and using the angles.
blu
QUOTE(CommanderVander @ Nov 5 2009, 02:06 PM) *

It's one thing to "survive" against Clottey. It's another to "survive" against Pac.


Did you forget about Marquez? He not only survived but arguably won both fights against Pac. Like Cotto, Marquez is NOT a speedy fighter who's known for superb defensive skills. Dude was knocked down 4 times by an assassin like Pac but still managed to fight like he was never touched. Don't tell me Marquez has more heart. Cotto has shown he's got plenty of it.
boxer777
QUOTE(CommanderVander @ Nov 5 2009, 04:06 PM) *

I actually agree with Teddy in this instance.

Let's pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto the night of the Clottey fight. Does anyone not doubt that if had been Pac in with Cotto for those last 6 rounds that Pac would not only have won that fight, but, that he would have knocked him out as well?

It's one thing to "survive" against Clottey. It's another to "survive" against Pac.


Why not pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto in the night of the Judah fight instead? Pac would shoot shots down the middle with more accuracy and power. Judah had Cotto rocked in round 1 and round 2. Cotto wouldn't have survived getting hit with a flush shot like that from Pac. You can even see it yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecEVbJ7jklY

Teddy is delusional. He is so convinced of this delusion that he think it's wrong to see it any other way. I'll say this now...Cotto is vulnerable down the middle against southpaws and if Pac lands something big in the first few rounds, it's because they've done their HW and took advantage of openings.

All Pac needs to do is stay away from Cotto's body shots, which they have seem to have worked on in the gym and he'll be out of the biggest danger zone.
Obtuse
teddy atlas is a bucked tooth jackass !
ponch
QUOTE(CommanderVander @ Nov 5 2009, 01:06 PM) *

I actually agree with Teddy in this instance.

Let's pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto the night of the Clottey fight. Does anyone not doubt that if had been Pac in with Cotto for those last 6 rounds that Pac would not only have won that fight, but, that he would have knocked him out as well?

It's one thing to "survive" against Clottey. It's another to "survive" against Pac.



QUOTE(boxer777 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:51 PM) *

Why not pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto in the night of the Judah fight instead? Pac would shoot shots down the middle with more accuracy and power. Judah had Cotto rocked in round 1 and round 2. Cotto wouldn't have survived getting hit with a flush shot like that from Pac. You can even see it yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecEVbJ7jklY

Teddy is delusional. He is so convinced of this delusion that he think it's wrong to see it any other way. I'll say this now...Cotto is vulnerable down the middle against southpaws and if Pac lands something big in the first few rounds, it's because they've done their HW and took advantage of openings.

All Pac needs to do is stay away from Cotto's body shots, which they have seem to have worked on in the gym and he'll be out of the biggest danger zone.


Or pretend it was Pac in there with Clottey that night. I think Clottey would have smoked him.
madmardigan
Teddy Atlas has more sideburns than brains.
Ruthless Bastard
Cotto isn't shot.

But he isn't as confident in his power and that could be smart. That's what Teddy may be mistaking for 'being shot'.

Watch Cotto/Clottey and ask yourself why Cotto backs away at times even when he has Clottey hurt. In my opinion, he did that because he didn't want to punch himself out and he didn't believe he could stop Clottey.

As an analogy, he's doing what Wladmir started to do after the Brewster fight.

Difference is Wladmir is 2 feet taller than anyone he fights. He can clinch/fight and his physical advantages make it hard for guys to overcome his unique combination of "Now I punch you, now I hold you..."

When Cotto does it, because he's a small welterweight, you can sense his nervousness. He makes himself move more than we're used to seeing.

I really think he believes he punched himself out against Margarito. The guy can take punches. Margarito didn't knock him out. Look at Cotto at the end of that fight. He was aware but exhausted. Margarito made him say "Screw it" and Cotto's a proud guy. He doesn't want that to happen again so he's pacing himself in terms of punch output and damage taken by using a weird, move a lot style.

If Pacquaio can't take his heat, he'll smash him. I doubt you'll see him conserve his punches in this fight.

But I do think he's going to take the heat off his shots and try to match Pacquiao's output. That's the vibe I'm getting from his training. We may be surprised at how many shots Cotto throws.
PWillIsGod
Teddy is a buffoon, no reason to listen to a thing he says.
Cincere
QUOTE(boxer777 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:51 PM) *

Why not pretend for a moment that Pac had been in the ring with Cotto in the night of the Judah fight instead? Pac would shoot shots down the middle with more accuracy and power. Judah had Cotto rocked in round 1 and round 2. Cotto wouldn't have survived getting hit with a flush shot like that from Pac. You can even see it yourself.


Rocked? As in out on his feet? I dont think so. Stunned as in, it got Cotto's attention and some respect, but thats it. Make no mistake about it, Cotto will be walking down lil PACMAN and find him with plenty of punches as Cotto always does.....can PAC take a true 147 punchers punch? I dont thinks so, but we'll see.....
Kyle in Federal Way WA
I don't think it is fair to call Cotto 'shot' at this point. Shot would have meant he lost to Clottey. Now, change the wording and just say 'Cotto isn't the same since his loss to Margarito' and everyone can agree. Its not saying he is done for or doomed in any one fight. A loss changes most fighters and I think everyone would be willing to say Cotto has changed since the loss. No harm saying that.
Jeffro
I'm disappointed to hear Teddy say "Cotto is shot" every time he gets a chance. When I watch FNF, I usually enjoy his insights and I do believe he is a great boxing mind.

95% of boxers would have quit after suffering the cut Cotto endured vs Clottey.
el californio
QUOTE(BigFiasco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:22 PM) *

i think pac is gonna beat him pretty good...but not b/c cotto is damaged goods, but because manny is just better plain and simple.

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Sorry bro, this fight is happening at "welter." Cotto has been in with the best welterweights he could find.

If manny wins this fight, it is because of cotto being damaged goods. No way Freddy makes this fight before the Marg fight.
el californio
QUOTE(BigFiasco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:22 PM) *

i think pac is gonna beat him pretty good...but not b/c cotto is damaged goods, but because manny is just better plain and simple.

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Sorry bro, this fight is happening at "welter." Cotto has been in with the best welterweights he could find.

If manny wins this fight, it is because of cotto being damaged goods. No way Freddy makes this fight before the Marg fight.
msp1518
I love Teddy, but he cannot pick fights. He is wrong 70% of the time.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion though.
loadedgloves
I do think Cotto has lost a step, but I don't think he's shot or a shell of himself by any means.

The fight isn't happening at "welter," btw, it's happening at Mannyweight ™.
Oliver's Tears
Teddy's a melodramatic boob. Ignore him.
K X P
I actually have said many times I think Miguel is damaged goods. I will be cheering for him to win this fight but Manny is going to beat his ass.

K X P
perfectjet
Shot? Well he can still wack ok.

I dunno, Teddy might be on to something. Cotto might be starting to feel the pinch more now. He did look slower against Clottey.

Wait and see until after Pac. But I wouldn't say Atlas is talking gibber.

Interesting for me atleast, when Atlas interviwed Cotto on espn about a month ago,(I hadn't heard Cotto interviewed before), I gotta say that Cotto soundly just a little bit slurry. Nothing that obvious but again I dunno...maybe that's his speech pattern. But for me, I thought "punchy"???
Big Damage
QUOTE(madmardigan @ Nov 5 2009, 03:35 PM) *

Teddy Atlas has more sideburns than brains.

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Cotto might be on the downslide but I don't think "shot" is a term we can use to describe him.

perfectjet
QUOTE(Big Damage @ Nov 6 2009, 03:50 PM) *

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Cotto might be on the downslide but I don't think "shot" is a term we can use to describe him.


Probably right. But it's a fine line between slipping and shot. happens almost overnight.
boxer777
QUOTE(Cincere @ Nov 5 2009, 06:46 PM) *

Rocked? As in out on his feet? I dont think so. Stunned as in, it got Cotto's attention and some respect, but thats it. Make no mistake about it, Cotto will be walking down lil PACMAN and find him with plenty of punches as Cotto always does.....can PAC take a true 147 punchers punch? I dont thinks so, but we'll see.....


He was bordering being rocked by one of the shots. He was stunned, but the point is that he got hit with 2 very flush shots by a southpaw. They weren't particularly powerful shots, but the last thing he wants to do is get hit flush by Pac like that. Pac will deliver his shots with more conviction and in higher volume.

Cotto is open to those kinds of shots the whole fight and Pac will be there to deliver it. There is no doubt Cotto is going to try and walk Pac down...he will represent the biggest and strongest guy Pac's fought so far. I don't think anyone is truly sure how they'll both be handling each other's punches, but that's great thing about the fight.
AndrewP
I think it's an awesome fight, and I really don't have a strong opinion as to who will win. That makes a great match up and I'm very happy it's only a week away.

If Pac blows him out, I'm giving him full credit. I don't doubt that Cotto had something taken by the Margarito fight, but he still has a lot left. I don't see him as being shot at all.
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