Anyone see this? Pugilist, what did you think?

ive heard enough about Mike to not need to see any documentaries on him for the rest of my life

that goes for Tyson and Jackson

Hate him or like him. The man is a genius. I mean when u look at some of the younger artist like Justin, Usher, Ginuine, Chris Brown and there rehearsels there being told what to do and how to dance. There taught all there choreography and are told what to do.

MJ tells everyone what to do, how to do it and the finished material was his idea.

If only he could come back from the dead, get back with Kevin Rooney, train hard, rededicate himself and get a new nose, he could rule the Heavyweight Recording Industry Division again.

Substitute "Quincy" for "Rooney."

Not gonna see it. It just has that "Let's exploit MJ's death and make as much money as we can" feel to it.

100 mill worldwide man dude is a one man army!!!

That was my initial thought when I saw the first promo. From what I've heard though, that's not completely the case. I still won't see it.

Sorry I'm not going to go see him try balance himself on his toes and nearly break his pathetic skinny pedophilic legs.

What about Ali?

Genius?

So is Roman Polanski, supposedly.

Why do I keep thinking of that Huey Lewis and the News video when he's stuck on that island and the News are all buried in the sand?

that's exactly what i said. from the high lights it looks like a bunch of interviews and soundchecks/rehearsals. i would't even wan to see that shit from rakim. not wasting 8 bucks on that.

Previews in HQ can make it look spectacular but I'm certain it's going to be excruciatingly boring. Him talking and rehearsing and telling the dancers what to do... blah blah blah... boring.

It's not as if you will get to see actual concert footage. That might have been worth a movie ticket price. A two hour concert on the big screen? Yeah perhaps, if you're a fan. I liked his music enough to have bought his essential collection more than a year before his death. But this Jackson mania is silly. People who wouldn't have bothered to listen to his music in their car last year are suddenly fanatics. Get the fuck outta here.

The 'prisoner of the moment' fan is definitely who this is catered towards.

thriller and a few of his other albums were selling like 100k a week a couple months after his death. who da fuk didn't have at least 4 or 5 copies of thriller on vinyl laying arund the house? man i got so many differen't copies of THRILLER it's insane. i got the mint ones, the good ones, and the gritty grimy dusty copies for sampling to give it that staticy sound.

Hitler was a great leader, too.

I didn't to be honest with you but I really don't have vinyl at all. I honestly am/was a fan and did dig his music. I even was disgusted with the re-release of Thriller with all those shitty remixes.

What's funny to me is that I had some people joke that I would be listening to MJ in my car. Same people are the type to be all boo-hoo about his death.

The type of reaction that his death has received is what quickly reminds me of why I think Biggie is overrated. Whether you agree or not, the guy dropped one album while alive. Gets killed and all of a sudden he was one of the best that ever did it? Really?

I never thought he was the best. I thought he was good, but I'm certain if he were still alive today, he'd hardly be relevant. He would have dropped a few more albums and eventually his popularity woulda been gone.

Lets say Wayne dies tomorrow, you better believe he's going to get similar treatment by his fans today.

LORD NO!!!! i pray lil wayne lives to be 50 so he can fade away. i was mad as hell at 2pac and biggie for getting killed cuz their dikriders came from everywhere claiming them to be the greatest. i never thought mike was the greatest. i've always said he was the greatest entertainer, but as far as music goes, he didn't even write the best songs on THRILLER imo. human nature and pyt have always been my favs and they were wrote by toto and quincy jones/james ingram. prince shits on jacko in the songwriting department.

Heres Majority of the Movie

Wanna Be Starting Something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSrmY2tMoDI

Wanna Be Starting Something Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WMZmadvVs

Black or White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R68v_1EJk4w

I Just Cant Stop Loving You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNsYRLzBCVA


Smooth Criminal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJNnvsRebZ0



Billie Jean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKsQg7KlsVE


I'll Be There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tndJBrcP9EE



They Dont Care About us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tCrfCf7hiA

Human Nature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fifj5XHQWk

The Love You Save

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgWotzgXT3U

Beat it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEj7-PhmLRo

Jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiienqba5k4

Thriller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Zqr2E6k8k

I Want You Back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2_-s494aGA

Man in the Mirror

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5HScJ5YyaQ

That was pretty good. And for those who didn't see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uC8LSV-j2g

saw it last nite, very good actually. if u r a fan at 1 point or another, i dont see any reason why u shouldnt see it. if $10 really makes a difference in ur financial status, then spend it somewhere else but for me, seeing THE MAN do it for the last time was well worth it. also the fact that it was rehearsals actually made it better for me, u get to see more of the real mj, interacting with people. not once did i think i was watching a freak/weirdo which oftentimes i felt the past decade or so, it felt i was watching a bonafide superstar, a musical genius actually.

Really?

He was a talented artist but I wouldn't use that phrase to describe him at all.

What instruments did he play that would warrant that type of description of him? What beats did he produce?

His voice is okay. He's an above average singer with great dancing ability and charisma. Lots of classic songs that he'll be credited with but lets be real, his songwriting wasn't "genius" either.

Just because a artist doesn't use a instrument on stage doesn't mean they can't play one or work a studio by themselves. MJ had a studio in his mansion so im sure he knew how to work the keyboards and creating the sounds from there. There's footage of him in the studio working the keyboards and creating beats when he was on with Diane Sawyer in like 1995 when he started beatboxing.

Some artist prefer to use the instrument on stage and others weather they can or not prefer to sing and dance. Jackie Wilson, James Brown, MJ.

I wasn't impressed by his beatboxing.

Guitar, keys, drum machine and he beatboxed.

Songs he produced/wrote?


Wanna Be Startin Something
Dangerous
Smooth Criminal
Earth Song
Stranger In Moscow
Gone Too Soon
Smile
Workin Day N Night
Bad
Billie Jean
Will You Be There
Heal The World
Beat It
etc... the list goes on

Quincy gets credit as producer on some of those even though when MJ brought the demos he made himself to Quincy they were practically finished. Best examples would be the Billie Jean Demo, Wanna Be Startin Something Demo, Working Day n Night Demo and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough Demo



Stranger In Moscow (entire drum track is beatboxed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqZvsUbQKxQ

Who Is It (beatbox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN7bdq7NNZo

Beat It (beatboxing every instruments' section)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2dmvRaE8f4

hahah. drum machine isn't an instrument. if it is, then i should be teaching classes on it. and i neverheard of mike playing keys or guitar. maybe he does, i just never heard of it.

Im not to familair with all the instruments but if you know how to work a studio by yourself and create the music yourself isnt that having some producing skills. Artist that simply sing only can't work a studio.

They just sit there and sing like the young artist on the P Diddy show on MTV. His producers create everything and they just sing it.

Here's a peformance from This is it Movie. Skip to 1:50 and let it play through. MJ isnt playing the guitar but he knows what he wants and instructing her how to do it. This is kinda impressive here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R68v_1EJk4w

Horrible example. He basically said, "Do whiyayayyayaa, it's your time to shine, wiyahahahaa!" Sounds like a third grader's instructions.

I heard the female guitarist he had for that tour is some kind of prodigy or something. Like Santana's prodigy good.

OK but still he has produced many songs himself and knows how to work a studio. Sit down and make the beats and songs himself. That's producing.

Its cool to showcase your instrumental skills on stage but maybe MJ has to move around a little bit and has so much energy. Prefers to groove. Look at his slow performances with the jackson 5. Dude cant sit still.

She is ridiculously good. Probably the second best female rock guitarist I've come across.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXf8oJq049w

when it comes to the music side of things, michael jackson is NO prince. not even close or should be in the same conversation. performance though? he's the best ever. and he makes great albums, but mj stayed relevant so long for the same reason jay z has. he always works with whoever is hot at the time. i personally am against boewwlshit like that but whatever works for ya i guess u gotta do it. jackson went from quincy, to teddy riley to r kelly to rodney jerkins to jay z to neyo to keep his name relevant and he didn't need him but it introduced him to a younger audience everytime. as for jay z, hahahah. nas put it best, "went from jaz to hanging with kane to irv to big, and eminem .....". it just wouldn't feel right for me if bobby womack had to do some shit with tpain or lil wayne just to get a song on the radio today.

was just curious, why bring this up? I don't recall anyone in this thread saying MJ was equal to or better than Prince.

I took a dozen of my kids to see it yesterday. It was really pretty good. He's not the same dancer he was, and he's singing along to a recorded vocal track most of the time, but he's goddamn 50 years old... He ain't gonna be able to pull off the Jackson 5 songs he once performed.

I'd have enjoyed it a little more if I hadn't had to contend with kids eating popcorn til they puked and a couple of retards trying to make babies in the back row.

Note to self: No more group outings at the dimly-lit theater without more staff present.

They were trying to make babies?

Sounds like there was plenty of staff present.

Ahhhh! Good one. Sersly... It's football games and the bowling alley from now on.

The vocals were actually live most of the time. Especially the slow songs, wanna be starting something, jackson 5 melody. I think he easily performs the jackson 5 hits. He's known that choreograhy for years.

I thought the new pop lock moves for Billie Jean were pretty tight towards the end. Saving the moonwalk for the concert. That was a hell of a move he did for that 10 to 15 stretch of Billie Jean.

It was rehearsels so he wasnt going full out.