Working on Light Heavyweight research right now. It's the number one contender Roy didn't face and the one he probably wishes he hadn't. Thoughts?

This must be a hard matchup to figure by the response from our fellow forumers.

I think this would be a close fight. Tarver was a solid fighter who would've given Roy a hard time even in his prime. Michalczewski would find it hard to deal with Tarver's reach. However, I feel Michalczewski is just a bit tougher and takes this fight. Michalczewski might not be as busy as Johnson, but I think he is more accomplished and can put just enough pressure to win by close decision.

Tarver would not sign the fight because he didnt want to have go to Braunschweig bugfuck Germany for a guy that would have been another doormat, then have ding dongs use this as a laughable knock on his career for the next hundred years.


For some reason i just see this happening. Call me crazy.



I got an idea for a better one Cliff, Thomas Damgaard vs Kostya Tszyu .



seriously gtfo here with this Tarver (off the dope and prime) flattens Dariusz unspellablelastname. Tarver doesnt get mentioned a lot, but he was a damn tough fighter when he showed up. Granted never saw this weird named motherfucker your talking about fight until i just youtubed him a few years ago, but my instincts tell me im right here, and i wasnt sufficiently impressed by his youtube footage to put him above someone on the level of Antonio Tarver. Tarver was actually a tougher guy than he gets credit for.

Maybe you're kidding, but If Tarver had for some reason faced and beat dariusz, particularly before he beat Roy, I doubt anyone but a complete moron would "use this as a laughable knock on his career for the next hundred years." And so was Dariusz tougher than your post indicates. I'm going to take your word for it you've not see him a ton which is understandble. Damgaard-Tszyu isn't comparable in any way.

Close decision either way, I didn't respond because i can't pick a winner. No way in hell Tarver is knocking Michalczewski out. Seriously danger, destroyed Montell Griffin, beat Virgil hill's ass, roccigianni twice & barber. This dude was far from a Zsolt Erdei.

Not sure how people would laugh at this win for Tarver if he was able to get it. You could easily rank Dariusz ahead of tarver historically.

Giving it some thought, I fancy Michalczewski (it's really not that difficult, D-Dong --- you're doing wonders for the sometimes-unfair perception Americans are ignorant to foreigners, btw, LOL). I always liked his jab (it was probably a better weapon that is usually credited) & he really put on some good shows in his (very curious) hey-day, such as the performances against guys like Hill, whom he handsomely decisioned, & Rochigianno, in their 2000 meeting.

I like him to outwork Tarver with a more consistent volume, but the case is there to made for either man. Tarver was always a good fighter, for whom the victories against Jones saw him become over-rated by many, & under-rated by a lot more in an effort to bring him back down to Earth.

I would, Taver is a footnote.

Interesting matchup. Tarver was supposedly in his prime (and it probably was, in hindsight) when he struggled against Johnson the first time. He might have won on a lot of peoples' scorecards, but he definitely had a rough night.

Michalczewski might not have been on the same level as a guy like Roy at the time, but he wasn't shit. He had an aggressive style, solid punching power, a bit wide, but he could get the job done and close distance quick. His chin was never awesome, and he was prone to cutting and swelling, but he was tough and always in shape.

I'd say Traver probably edges him.

Tarver. 12-0 if other guy's corner doesn't throw in the towel first

I was joking a bit. But i was serious about him not impressing me. He looks fairly ordinary fighting fairly ordinary comp from what i gleaned. I never saw this guy fight once until i had to search for him, and ive watched more than a little boxing.

Here comes the tired part where i look like a Roybot but...... If he was so great how come he never crossed the ditch? I know thats a fairly ignorant statement to make (and a dead horse thats been kicked to mush), but it also carries some validity. People had to go see him in his backyard to get a fight.

You can knock me for this, but you have to acknowledge on some level its true. Valuev was 46-0 at one point. Chavez 89-0. Doesnt mean they werent good fighters in every case of course, but you can stay at home and look tough for a long time. Come to the "Melting Pot" and find that theirs a lot of big fish in this bowl. I have seen Tarvers best, seen his worst. Ive seen just a little of Daruisz but ill take Tarver. Dude came back and avenged Harding for breaking his jaw, goaded Roy into a fight while Roy was still regarded as one of the best in the world, chose to fight a much tougher Glenn Johnson when he could have coasted over Paul Briggs.... im sure i could think of other intangibles but im at work.

(i am aware that this comes off as jingoistic, i have never on this board knocked a european fighter "simply because" however this name seems to get a lot of credit for traveling very little. )

How often did Jones travel?

For a guy who made the back-half of his career largely about relatively soft opposition, far below the limit of his talents, it's not a water-tight defense.

Exactly, the blame for not traveling is 50/50 there. The fight would have probably been more lucrative in Germany.

Not coming to the US is certainly an extremely weak argument as to why he would lose to Tarver. Doesn't make a bit of sense.

Gtfo. Seriously? LOL at this.

Jones wasnt a Winky Wright or a Marvin Hagler or even a Nard Hopkins, having to travel around and work for a shot at the limelight. He was a Ray Leonard, a Floyd Mayweather, a De La Hoya. He was given his from the start, never had to seek it out.

It doesnt make it right but its the truth. He travelled all over the United States. And at the point in his career this fight would have taken place its laughable to expect him to travel anywhere. This is going to paint me as an asshole but its common sense. Theres a reason Joe Calzaghe came over here to get at Hopkins and Jones. Why didnt they have the fights in England where Joe could sell out a soccer stadium? Especially when Joe is the undefeated sm champion from a hundred years running?

Im not this jingoistic (i feel like Imperial here) but gimme a break. Roy Jones is supposed to go to fight in Germany for Daruisz. I hope you guys are just pulling my leg. I guess we are living in a perfect world now where superstar American fighters go over to England and Germany all the time to give lesser fighters shots at the title. That sure would be nice and i agree more fair to occasionally have to travel. Reality works a bit different though. The Hoyas, Leonards, Mayweathers, Jones's of this modern boxing world dont have to travel. And they dont. Again, doesnt make it right at all but it is what it is.

The Tiger should have brought his ass to the "Melting Pot" if he wanted to fight someone as big as Jones was at this point in their respective careers.

Tarver gives anyone a tough night out. I guess he loses to the Tiger here based on what you guys have seen but im sure it would be in Gdansk Poland or somewhere Tarver couldnt pronounce, the only Tiger that was coming over here was Dick Tiger.

Boxrec Michaczewski if you need to. He was beating the same guys in Germany that Roy was here and probably for more money than he would get to travel here and fight Roy. Jones wasn't a big draw and he had a huge contract with HBO. It wouldn't make any sense for Dariusz to come here for the same or less money than he got there. They were on the same path, except Jones got tremendous acclaim and Michalczewski was a tremendous draw.

What do Michalczewski, Calzaghe, Benn, Eubank & Collins all have in common? They all were required to come to the states to fight Roy jones. All five of them. I'm not saying Roy ducked anybody, I'm a big fan, but that's too much of a coincidence to throw it all on the Europeans who in the case of the Super Middles were mixing it up with each other.

Any of those fights would have generated way more of a gate and more money overseas.

Edit: And Calzaghe came over after he had developed a world wide name and was paid accordingly. In Roy's hayday you're looking at offers of like 80/20 when Joe would make twice that fighting Mario Veit at home. You're not displaying much common sense, and agreed that you sound like Imperial.

I already stated that i had to. No shame there.

None at all, I find it silly that so many people around think you can't use reading to form an opinion on a fighter. But you can see he was dominating the same guys that Roy was. Sometimes fights just don't make sense logistically.

You can't blame either guy for not traveling here, just wish that it would have been different. I can see why roy would be worried about a decision in Germany. And you can see why HBO wouldn't offer Michalczewski the kind of coin he deserved to come here. Because it would have bombed on PPV and they would have taken a bath.

You lump Jones with Oscar, Leonard & floyd, but Roy was never on their level of filling seats and selling PPV's. When you generate Leonard & oscar money, guys are paid handsomely to travel. Not the case with Roy. He offered Hopkins 60/40, Is Michalczewski required to respond to 90/10 and I'll kick your ass in america? I think not

I still don't understand what any of this has to do with his chances in a fight against tarver.

It's only, "common sense" if you're an American, living in America. PWill has already essentially made the counter-points I would've, so I'll spare everyone the time of re-reading, but this whole, "God-given talent, the world comes to me" is ridiculous.

If your not in America having the world handed to you because of your God given talents like he was.

You guys are retarded. A lot of fancy thinking. A lot of good principals, ill give you that, but unfortunately not the reality of the world we live in.

Go tell De La Hoya he should have travelled to Germany to face Sturm. Watch him laugh in your face. Go tell Ray Leonard back in the day he has to travel to Denmark to face Kalule. He would have quietly told you "i dont think so".

It is jingoistic, whether you're comfortable with the notion, or not.

I'm not sure if you're fucking around or insanely stupid. Either way, you're the retard. Roy isn't in the same stratosphere as Leonard or Oscar. You can keep convincing yourself that you've made one valid point in this thread. But that is far from reality. I've never read anything from you this dumb.

i could care less. You guys are idiots.




I never said i live like this, or every fighter has this privelage. But its pretty clear that some fighters have the world handed to them and some have to seek respect and paydays.

Blame me when HBO created this monster.

Well-spoken.

Once again you come off like a moron. Dariusz made major money in Germany. You're the assclown demanding he fight Roy jones for less money than any of his other fights. You're always amusing, just rarely this dense.

And we the "idiots" didn't answer the question of who wins a tarver/DM fight with the most pathetic response in the history of this forum. That would be you.

So now its just about money? Nice change up there.

I made it pretty clear to all but the stupidest of dickjockeys that i was only joking from the get go, ive never even seen a whole fight from the guy.



Keep calling me pathetic though that will make you seem more right. The thread had next to zero replies when i started fucking around, yet you keep coming back and taking this shit as fact. I have a picture of Roy Jones dressed as Captain fucking Hook in my signature and you take this thread deadly serious. You are a skinpurse for my hamrocket.

No one is taking your responses that seriously --- you needn't concern yourself.

Ok fag, forgive that i can't decipher between your serious and joking posts. they are all equally stupid. I don't need to seem right, i am right and the money is the reason why. But bravo cock slave, you managed to fool us all with this grand joke. Don't you have anymore shirtless photo's of your gay ass to tantalize us with? Didn't you hang glide over a gay parade today? Pathetic? Yeah, that fits just fine.

If you want more shirtless photos of me find a nicer way to ask, although your name should be changed from PWILLISGOD to DOLEFRUITCUP. Ive never posted anything about hang gliding, wouldnt even know where to do that at. Florida seems to be woefully short on cliffs, unless you mean the Cliff that requires free tickets to the fight and then pumps out a shitty article on it afterwards. Im sure you can find that kind of Cliff sleezing around the Hardrock from time to time. Good lucking jumping a hang glider off of him. I do post about surfing though, something that takes shoulders and endurance to do with any skill. I guess that rules you out.

bring it

Back on topic I like DM over Tarver, probably 9-3 or 8-4 and he drops him to. DM was Calzaghe before Calzaghe started getting on Showtime. If DM's beat down of Virgil Hill was show on Showtime instead of the middle of the afternoon on NBC he would have got some more play. Good fighter, very rugged and had power, a lot like Kesseler. People think Virgil was faded for that fight but not really, the fight before, despite the SD, he dominated Maske fairly easily. Like Mark said DM in reality beat a lot of the same guys Roy did as well. I would of course take Roy over him but not anyone else from that time period.

It would be a close fight, I don't think 9-3 is realistic but I'd take DM to edge him.

I'd take DM over Tarver as well. DM was a pretty damn good fighter.

But saying that RJJ should've travelled to Germany to fight DM is ridiculous. WTF was DM on a international scale? Nobody. Y'all musta forgot, but RJJ was P4P #1 on everyone's list for a long ass time, and the onus was really on DM to make the fight.

Forgive the yall musta forgot thing, I couldn't help myself.