http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/10/30/1107...r-six-land-chad

Apparently Dawson and Shaw both want to do it (LOL at Shaw talking about how he knows Dawson would win it but oh yeah I've got Dirrell too).

Obviously a lot depends on Taylor, and Dawson could lose to Johnson but I've never bought into the idea that just cause you mention a future opportunity you obviously aren't focused on your next fight. Dawson's good but he's not good enough to half ass it versus Glen.

HBO has a contract with Chad, they wont let that happen. It would be great for his career, but I like the competitive nature of the Super 6 as it is. Dawsion would turn it into a runaway. Don't think anybody in it would have the smallest chance of beating him.

I wouldn't be surprised if HBO tried to make Chad/Paul at 68.

The article says Paul is on a two fight deal with HBO and Johnson is the second fight. I don't know if they have any options of any kind, it doesn't say so. I'm sure HBO will offer him good money to fight somebody instead of doing that if they want to keep him.

The article is incorrect, it's a 3 fight deal.

My only concern with a replacement for any of the fighters is bringing in someone who would clearly run the table. I agree, the current competitiveness is good. As a fan, I'm against Dawson coming in because it would be obvious he would become the new favorite.

He'd have to make 168. Should be no problem but you never know.

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I think Dawson and Williams share similar problems. They need to fight more often. Maybe this series will give Chad the chance to appear more regularly and could be a good career building process. Dawson is already 27 and Williams 28, but they don't have career resumes quite as good as their talent deserve(more concerned about Williams because his style won't make him competitive for much longer). It's true the inclusion of Chad might not be good for the tournament itself, but it could be good for Dawson's career. No wonder why he wants to get in.


I'm a bit worried about that, too.

Chad has told me many times he could easily make 168 and that the only reason he was at 175 was to get the bigger names at the time but now that he has beaten Tarver and Hopkins apparently wants no part of him he said a move to 168 would work for the right fight.

I would love for him to replace Dirrell. Actually, I would even be OK with Sam Soliman replacing Dirrell.

I wish this would happen but probably won't.

I always thought Chad's move to 175 was a bit premature and I'm sure he can make 168. He'd also be my favorite to win it all if he joined the tournament.

Then I'm all for Chad getting in this tourney. He can clean-sweep 168 and then move up to 175 and then cruiser. Wouldn't he be the next superstar that way? He will also get the rightful place in the p4p discussion with all those names on his resume. Just want to see him fight more often and when he completes this 3 weight-division journey, he will have financial security as well.

We would all love to see top fighters fight more often, but it isn't realistic in the current state of the game and is a double edged sword from a fans perspective.

Champions that stay active like Abraham & Lopez gets slammed for taking shit fights. It just takes longer to put together meaningful fights in todays sport.

What would you say if Chad defended his title against a nobody in between the Tarver & Johnson fights? Great to see him active? Or this is a pointless fight?

If he takes a tune up in between 2 important fights, I have no problems with that. If he only fights weak fighters for 3-4 times in a row, I would call that a waste of time.

The reason why I think this tournament is good for Chad is that he will get top 168 lbers for 4 fights in a row in about 18 months period. He won't have to worry about match making and he will be presented chances to fight the best of the division, and will get the chance to prove himself and become better known. It could do a lot of things automatically for him.

If a champion can't get a name in the ring
and someone is going to pay him some bucks to fight a lesser opponent
God bless him
on the other hand
if he is fighting schlubs to avoid a challenge
I have a problem with that

I'm with you.

It would be great for him, that's the best thing about the tournament. Big fights are already set. But like I said, he is under contract to HBO and I doubt they are willing to have his next four fights take place on Showtime.

So don't expect Chad's next fight to take place until after Taylor/Dawson/Green vs Ward is over or he signs an extension with HBO.

Depressing, but I have to be realistic, I guess.

Guys like Chad & Paul were way more active before HBO. They plan for 2 fights a year, it sucks. I wish more guys would take tuneups off air like the old days, but the money is too substantial to risk it.

Home Box fucked the sport up the ass for fans.

Dawson has a couple of good potential opponents at 175 in Pascal and Cloud. No reason for him to even think about dropping back to 168, if HBO gets behind those fights, which I think most fans would like to see.

That's true Mark, but you can blame Roy Jones and Floyd for it too.

i'm just not sold on dawson. he beat tarver, but got his ass kicked severely by johnson and for some unkown reason won the fight. he's just not as good as this board makes him out to be..

He should fight B Hop. That fight will make his name known at least.

I can't blame the fighters for taking advantage of provisions provided by HBO. I mean there are no guarantees that Boxing would have thrived on in the mainstream had it stayed on network TV. Cable changed a lot and added about 50 extra College Football games a weekend. Boxing was bigger than College Football when my old ass was growing up. Might not have made a difference.

I would say great to see him active, I would be happy as long he fought at least two meaningful fights a year.

Ditto

They milked their contracts and used the terms to their advantage by fighting guys who didn't belong in the ring with them for millions of dollars. AND claimed to be making history and proving greatness in the process. I definitely blame them for that.

That's what brought us to where we were about 2-3 years ago.

exactly which roid fight are u talking about? could it be the brannon fight in which he held a press conference before the fight? was it knocking out glen kelly with hands behind his back? or was it fighting a full time nypd police officer richard fraizer headlining an hbo card? u got to be accurate cuz none of those guys belonged in the same parking lot as roid and he was headling cards fighting these bums.

Certainly the claiming to make history, HBO approved those fights and inked those deals or they wouldn't have happened.

Oh how I'd love to see Chad drop down to 168 and mop everyone in super 6.

I doubt he'll ever go back down to Super Middle though

Assuming he gets by Glen Johnson, a Hopkins fight makes sense. Espescially, if Jones gets upset in his next one. Otherwise, waiting for Hopkins would take too long. He has plenty of options at 175 or Cruiser if he felt up to it.

i would rewatch the fight if i were you.

did johnson "severely" kick dawson's ass? not even close

did johnson give dawson his toughest fight to date? yes.

the unknown reason why dawson won is because he won more rounds by boxing, landing combinations, and outlanding johnson. and im saying this a a johnson fan.

As much as I hated Roy's shenanigans & laughed at Floyd's "slave wages" hissy fit, nobody was holding a gun to HBO's head making them hand out stupid money for shitty fights.

It's like if some dude came in my store with a bunch of crappy books, said "HEY THESE ARE WORTH A THOUSAND BUCKS!" and I said "uh, okay!" and handed them a check even though I knew better.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And that said, what I was saying is accurate. On one hand, I understand because I probably would've milked those deals for all they were worth too, and never looked back.

But just because someone hands you a blank check doesn't mean you should write in whatever amount you like. You CAN, sure. And it's dumb of whomever gave you the check in the first place. But that doesn't absolve you and make you blameless.

from what i remember, there were about 2 rounds that could have been 10-8 rounds and he was getting rocked thruout the fight. if you're winning a round and then all of a sudden you're damn near out on your feet holding on for your life while getting punched, i think it's safe to say u lost that round..

Cmon dude. Thats ridiculous. There were no 10-8 rounds in that fight, not even close.

why must close contested decisions always change into "dude was robbed, he was kicking the other dudes ass"

On another note regarding Chad Dawson...

Shouldn't Johnson/Dawson II really be to determine the NEW 175 pound king?

As far as I'm concerned, regardless of lineage, Erdei has no claim as in the days of the old one-title system, he would long have long been stripped for not defending his title against a top contender.

But Hopkins is ranked #1...

Yes, but he's been inactive for over a year, and has decided to fight a middleweight. He certainly could have fought Dawson or Johnson if he wanted to, but he's got other plans that revolve around money, as opposed to sorting out anything at 175.

Therefore, under any fair system (and the system that would have been in place before the alphabets got involved), wouldn't Dawson be moved to #1 and Johnson to #2... and Saturday's bout rightfully be lifted to true championship status?

It is in my eyes. Calzaghe beat Bernard and while I rate Nard in a P4P sense, beating Pavlik after that isn't enough to outdo the body of work Dawson is throwing together. Hops only real win at 75, as far as rankings go, is Tarver.

A better question than Hopkins at number one is Tarver still in the top 5 and Jones Jr in the top ten at all? Since losing to Hopkins, who has Tarver beaten to maintain his top 5 ranking in Light Heavyweight? And who has Jones Jr beaten to be #6? It is the Ring and I consider them biased since GBP owns them, but this sounds weird to me. Sounds like they're clinging to the names too much.

It's a weak division, Woods was top5 when Tarver beat him.

I also believe they're fighting for the Light Heavyweight Championship.

I would love for Chad to join the super six, it makes everything so muc better. Chad should have been a part of it to begin with.

Don't agree that Dawson would clean out the Super Six.

this is one of those fights
I just don't understand the controversy
Bernard caught him in the first
and
then lost 9 of the next 11 rounds
in my oppinion
9-3 is as close as I can see it

I'm with you. I see a very good fighter but not a guy that is head and shoulders above all competing in the Super 6.

He probably should be favored over most, but I wouldn't pick him to win against them all.




I can't say Bernard lost 9 rounds.

I thought Calzaghe won pretty clearly but not by that wide of a margin.

Either way, I don't think there was any controversy either.

Abraham would have a shot with his power & we don't know the full extent of what Ward has to offer.

Can't see the rest of them with any kind of chance.

Agree with everything here.

Is Glen Johnson in any top ten p4p lists? On my card, and many others, he beat Chad. Is Johnson a level higher than any of the Six (Five now...?)? Not in my opinion.

They're all on about the same level, IMV, so it comes down to style match-ups.

I think Kessler would have a good chance against Chad. His best punch is made for a southpaw. Arrow-straight right hand down the middle. Chad has shown to be open to that shot in a few fights, and Kess isn't exactly slow.

Abraham would have a very good chance because he'd do more damage in exchanges. Dawson is wide open up top when he throws a combinations. I could see Abe laying him out.

Froch would be interesting, but I'd have to give the edge to Chad because of his feet and overall quickness.

The Americans would probably make for stinky fights. As of now, I'd take Chad over both of them.



The point is that even though I like a lot about Dawson, he's probably overrated in terms of P4P. But then again, those lists are so goofy that you can say that about everyone from 6-30.

Remember how high JM Lopez was? Is Mtagwa P4P now?

Past the top 4 or 5, p4p is mostly rubbish. A guessing game, and a "what have you done for me lately?" contest.

Don't mean to shit on Chad at all. Just watched and scored their first fight last night and it made me think of how silly p4p lists are.

Kessler has a good chance.

Abraham on the other hand, does not.

I think Dawson already fought Abraham except his name was Adamak and outside of the knockdown he won 10/12 rounds.

Kessler would win 2 or 3 rds. None of them would pose more of a threat than he faces Saturday night.




P4P is dumb, but who is to say Chad hasn't improved since that fight? Johnson may not be top 10, but he certainly is top20-25 at a minimum. When you're talking about the 20 or so best fighters on earth, it just comes down to styles and that night.

Shane Mosley struggled with Mayorga, is Mayorga P4P? You can do it for anybody after the first couple spots on those stupid lists.

But I fail to see how someone could put together a top 10-12 right now without Dawson in it.