Patently, a Middleweight bout. I think Taylor decisions him. A good combination of size & style keeping Trinidad at bay. Thoughts?

Trinidad.

Taylor cant keep anyone at bay. The man inadvertantly always goes to war with anyone that can punch. I think him beating Hopkins had a lot more to do with where Hopkins was at stylewise in his career when they fought.

This would be a good fight, Jermain has the power to hurt Felix and vice versa. Fucking war. Ill take Trinidad in the upset late. (at least an upset in my eyes, i never thought Tito at middle was all that)

Taylor by late stoppage.

Agreed. The size disadvantage is too much here.

They were flirting with this fight, but Tito opted for Jones. Dumb move, he should have fought Taylor.

I'm talking about the Trinidad who was about to take on Hopkins facing the Taylor who ascended the Middle throne, though. Say, '01 Trinidad vs. '05 or '06 Taylor.

The Trinidad who blasted Joppy could have beaten Taylor. The one that came back from retirement would've lost.

RJJ late into his career is better than any version of Taylor and RJJ did not stop Trinindad


Trinindad @ 154 kicks the shit out of Taylor who would weigh 160

Have to say, the Jones who beat Trinidad was an inferior fighter, for mine, to a prime Taylor.

Excellent post, especially the part about Hopkins' ultra-conservative fighting style at the time he fought JT. At any point in those two fights, Bernard could've taken JT out or at least scared the shit out of him and made him throw fewer punches (and I think everybody agrees that JT got those decisons because he was more active that Bernard).

I feel Taylor has become under-rated ever since his stoppage loss to Pavlik, but he hasn't done himself any favours since, on the other hand. Unconvincing outings against Pavlik in a return, & the battle with Froch, make it easy for me to understand why he's fallen such a long way in two years.

Still, I think the fighter who won the Middleweight title a few years back would have enough to cope with Trinidad. Competitive decision victory.

Are you kidding? Taylor wouldve kicked the shit out of the RJJ that fought Trinidad.

Taylor has an iffy chin but I don't see a smaller, slower Tito whose best weight is at least one division south being able to take advantage. The size differential & stick make the difference here. Taylor really is getting underrated if people think he'd lose to Tito by KO.

I like Taylor here. I think Trinidad walking right at him would have suited him nicely. He can fire off hard counters on an opponent that's there to be hit.

P4P you'd go with Tito.

At middleweight, Taylor wins. Probably by KO.

I agree that Taylor is underestimated at the moment. He was a big strong middleweight with decent skills. I think his power would be a problem for Tito. Assuming he checked Tito's handwraps before the fight, I don't think Tito's arsenal would be enough.

I think he would've been too strong for Tito at middleweight.

Wrong, ask Jeff Lacy.

Prime Taylor? Taylor isnt prime anymore? When did we decide hes shot? Lol if anything moving up in weight has helped his gas. Dont act like hes 40, dude just doesnt have that good a chin. Was he shot when he couldnt get rid of Ouma? Or did getting knocked out by Kelly make him shot? Because i seem to remember him fighting a better fight the next fight.

and btw any version of Roy beats Jermain.






Wrong again. Jermain isnt underrated, he was OVERRATED because he beat a version of Nard that threw 8 punches a round. And that was by decision. I like Jermain now, i think he paid his dues but hes struggled with some smaller fighters, couldnt get rid of a small easy to hit Ouma, and at 160 his wind wasnt that great.

Losing to Pavlik just showed the real fighter he was. Decent handspeed, good heart, weak chin and weak stamina. His best fight imo was the Winky fight, but realistically Winky cant punch through toilet tissue. And that was kind of a war.

This is the kind of fight Trinidad was made for. You could check his chin and he would still be there later in the fight, where Jermain tends to get fade drastically. The Tito that lost to a FAR superior version of Hopkins would probably stop Jermain late.

Look at Jermains resume and tell me what you see that makes you think beats Roy OR Tito. (pre retirement Tito)

The victory over Joppy? Lol
The way he man handled Ouma?
Losing to Pavlik twice?

Gimme a break guys. Jermain is largely an HBO product. Like i said, i like him, but his glass ceiling was reached in the Hopkins fights. And those were very, very shaky decisions against the worst version of Nard past or present.

trinidad by ko....

Lou DiBella, as late as 2004, said Taylor was not ready for Trinidad. I'm sure he didn't change his mind after seeing Taylor turning his back for dear life in the late rounds against Hopkins.

It isn't, "Wrong," it's a matter of opinion. I don't opine Jones today is better than Taylor is or was. You think Jones beats him at any time --- well, I disagree. Jones isn't busy enough to deal with the best version of Taylor, in my opinion. I never said Taylor was, "shot" either --- that would be putting words in my mouth. I do think Taylor's confidence has been shaken since the losses to Pavlik &, yes, perhaps he has slipped a little. I'm sure you'll agree there's a distinction between, "post-prime" &, "shot." Taylor isn't shot, & no one said anything of the sort. Taylor has struggled with some smaller fighters --- well, Trinidad has done likewise with bigger men. Trinidad's body of work at Middleweight isn't what I'd call awe-inspiring, since you brought up the subject of who Taylor had beaten which makes anyone think he could defeat Trinidad.

Taylor stands straight up a lot and backs up with his hands down quite a bit. That's exactly when Trinidad loved to nail guys with the hook. And I think Tito could probably hurt him with the hook at 160. Whether or not he could stop him is a different story. Never been a Taylor fan, but Pavlik had to take some punishment to beat Taylor.

If Taylor lands the shots that he landed on Pavlik to put him down, on Tito, I think Tito might get stopped there.

Taylor by stoppage in the middle rounds.

Taylor By Decision:

I favor Taylor in this Mythical Matchup. At 160 and above, Trinidad's punches just doesn't seem to carry the same amount of snap or pop on them as they did at the smaller weight classes of 147 and 154. He would just be giving up too many physical advantages, to the naturally larger and stronger Jermain Taylor at Middleweight 160 lbs in order to win.

Has Taylor ever looked good against a puncher?

Would you consider Lacy a puncher?

No. Especially not the faded powerless version that faced him and Roy.


And Roy beat him worse. Far worse. Fuck i sound like a Roybot here i know, but goddam i cant believe i just heard he loses to Jermain fucking Taylor. Thats criminal.

I've heard this his entire career and I've never seen it. I've also heard of his athleticism. Also never seen it.

The Tito that beat Joppy beats Jermain. Jermaine hasn't KO'd a elite opponent in forever. If ever. No reason to believe he would be able to do it to Tito who would have him scared shitless.

I'm with Danger here too. Shot Roy is better than "prime" Jermaine. Whatever version that is. The one that decisioned Jr Middleweight Ouma? The one that arguably lost a decision to a Jr Middle Spinks (who was KO'd pretty badly by Judah)? Or was "prime" Taylor the one that was beating up on Daniel Eduoard? I got it. Prime Taylor was the one that got two gifts against Hopkins. There we go. That one only won those fights because of activity. And he probably still didn't win.

Besides getting gifts against Hopkins I'd like to know Jermaine's best win. I'm all ears.

JT did his best work in the Winky fight, but it wasn't a win.

Unrelated, but I remember thinking that if JT was gonna keep fighting the Oumas and Spinks of the world, Floyd might as well put on a few pounds and grab the middleweight belt from Jermain at that time.

Not at the stage Taylor fought him. The punch that made Lacy a puncher, and gave him his nickname, was on ice and still is.

I don't think that Taylor has the consistency to standup to Tito. Hopkins and Winky are 2 special boxers who can carry out a game plan and who are extremely smart in the ring. Taylor hasn't demonstrated ring intelligence nor the ability to just jab all night against formidable opponents. He's a "round fighter." When you're watching him, you're constantly asking yourself, ok "can he pull it off another round." He's tense, so you're tense. He usually comes unglued during the second half of the fight.

Tito was a vulnerable fighter but very few were able to capitalize on it. The fighters who did usually paid a price. Tito eats a lot of jabs early as he walks Taylor down. Taylor starts to backup (he can't fight backing up for shit) and counter like he did against an impotent Ouma but this time he gets stopped late. Taylor might get a flash knockdown, but I'm not sure there's anyone who fails to "finish the job" more than Taylor does. So, it won't matter.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it looked somewhat similar to Tito vs Joppy.

Hell, I even think that Tito could beat Jermain now if he could get down to 168.

Trinidad, easy KO.

I was with ya til the last sentence.

I love Tito man, but he can't compete against these younger guys. I wish it were true.

Trinidad by KO, mid rounds.

thanks for being more specific