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BigBENisGod
Roy has to deal with height, power and a very classy jab that carried uncommon zip. Foster has to deal with a superior athlete with perhaps the fastest footwork of alltime. Roy has the edge in speed on everyone he faces but could the height and range negate that?

Could go either way but I like Foster by late stoppage.
Facquiao
Roy wouldn't take Bob out with one shot, especially since he'd be boxing fairly cautiously in this one. Foster would catch him and stop him late or win a comfortbale UD on aggression as RJ retreated or covered up on the ropes.

I could see Roy winning a decision in a 12 rounder with a spectacular peformance here and there. I think he'd fold under the pressure over 15 though.
BigBENisGod
Ali fought alot of great fighters but Bob Foster is the only one who really busted him up. Mostly with the jab. That jab would have to bother Roy. Though Im not counting out Jones who was very fast with both hands and feet, moving side to side and he had sneaky range.
The Sly Fox
I think Jones' years of cruising through over-matched opposition play a part in his downfall, here. It's got to be weighing on a fighters' mind --- any fighters' mind --- to make such a jump in adversary.

My gut says Jones fights timid, & isn't busy enough to either get himself what he fears most --- knocked out --- or win the fight. A more active Foster, frustrated at times by Jones' athleticism, nevertheless takes a decision.
Facquiao
QUOTE(The Sly Fox @ Oct 7 2009, 05:24 PM) *

I think Jones' years of cruising through over-matched opposition play a part in his downfall, here. It's got to be weighing on a fighters' mind --- any fighters' mind --- to make such a jump in adversary.

My gut says Jones fights timid, & isn't busy enough to either get himself what he fears most --- knocked out --- or win the fight. A more active Foster, frustrated at times by Jones' athleticism, nevertheless takes a decision.


I don't think Roy feared getting knocked out until he got knocked the fuck out by Traver. He had supreme confidence in his athletic ability and reflexes, and for good reason. Prime Roy could go in and out on just about everyone he wanted to at will.

I don't think he fights as timid or fearful as you are implying, but he will get hit and hit hard as the bout goes on and that's when his offensive output would decline.
DangerDong
I think this has been done before and everyone and their mother said Bob. I like Roy a lot, but its tough to speculate how his beard would have held up to power like that at any point in his career.

I think last time we did it i picked Roy but i could very easily see Bob landing a big counter and Tarvering him.
The Sly Fox
QUOTE(Facquiao @ Oct 7 2009, 02:30 PM) *

I don't think Roy feared getting knocked out until he got knocked the fuck out by Traver. He had supreme confidence in his athletic ability and reflexes, and for good reason. Prime Roy could go in and out on just about everyone he wanted to at will.

I don't think he fights as timid or fearful as you are implying, but he will get hit and hit hard as the bout goes on and that's when his offensive output would decline.


In the latter stages of his LHW reign, it'd been years since Jones had faced any adversary with a legitimate shot of beating him, & all of those had essentially come in previous divisions. I do think that's going to be on his mind when he faces someone as fearsome as Foster. Everyone who stepped through the ropes with him feared getting knocked out --- Jones would be no exception. He didn't fear the KO, pre-Tarver, because the fighters he had been facing had, for many years, been plainly incapable of threatening him in that manner.

Foster's power changed gameplans, & I think Jones, while successful in patches, is going to change his at some point, with survival being the name of his game.
Facquiao
QUOTE(The Sly Fox @ Oct 7 2009, 05:52 PM) *

In the latter stages of his LHW reign, it'd been years since Jones had faced any adversary with a legitimate shot of beating him, & all of those had essentially come in previous divisions. I do think that's going to be on his mind when he faces someone as fearsome as Foster. Everyone who stepped through the ropes with him feared getting knocked out --- Jones would be no exception. He didn't fear the KO, pre-Tarver, because the fighters he had been facing had, for many years, been plainly incapable of threatening him in that manner.

Foster's power changed gameplans, & I think Jones, while successful in patches, is going to change his at some point, with survival being the name of his game.


I agree with you that Foster changes Roy's gameplan somewhere along the way, just don't think Roy comes into it with a pre-installed bitch mentality. icon14.gif
The Sly Fox
Fair enough, & I didn't mean to imply that he did. Just thinking out loud Jones will have a few more nerves jangling for this one than will Foster, who probably gets neck-deep into a very focused training camp, with his seconds doing their best to prep him for a very unusual opponent.
SpontaneousFury
Roy probably wouldn't have fought Foster.
DangerDong
Yeah because Roy was known for being scared of guys.


I dont think skipping LL should really count.
Monzon
Foster by KO. Roy's style consisted largely of leaping in with quick hooks and straight rights and pulling straight back. Foster's hands were pretty quick and his left hook could be remarkably short for such a tall guy. He'd catch Roy with that punch somewhere in the middle to late rounds and put him out for the count. Leading up to the KO, I'd expect things to be fairly close. Roy would be moving constantly and he'd use his speed to his advantage in places. But Foster would do well in places too with his jab and combinations in close.
DangerDong
Prior to being ktfo worse than anyone in history save Tommy Morrison vs Ray Mercer, Roy actually would have been in this fight. Pull me a tape of any fight before Tarver where Roy fought scared or cautious. Didn't happen.


Monzons version is a lot closer to home than anyone elses.
SpontaneousFury
QUOTE(DangerDong @ Oct 9 2009, 12:30 PM) *

Yeah because Roy was known for being scared of guys.
I dont think skipping LL should really count.


He didn't skip LL, Lewis didn't want to fight anymore. He still pulled some gay shit at times, this could be one of them.
prodigious1
I agree with ETM on Foster's jab being his big advantage. I see Roy dropping a lot of rounds because Foster would make him very nervous. Roy is gonna tag him eventually, but I'll take Bob.
PWillIsGod
QUOTE(The Sly Fox @ Oct 7 2009, 09:24 PM) *

I think Jones' years of cruising through over-matched opposition play a part in his downfall, here. It's got to be weighing on a fighters' mind --- any fighters' mind --- to make such a jump in adversary.

My gut says Jones fights timid, & isn't busy enough to either get himself what he fears most --- knocked out --- or win the fight. A more active Foster, frustrated at times by Jones' athleticism, nevertheless takes a decision.



Jones Super Middle/ light Heavyweight opposition was significantly better than Foster's. Other than Tiger & Fourie, not much to speak of. I think foster is pretty overrated in the grand scheme of things. Certainly had the power to stop anybody, jones would have to be careful, but my guess is he boxes his way to a quite comfortable decision.
SpontaneousFury
QUOTE(PWillIsGod @ Oct 9 2009, 07:25 PM) *

Jones Super Middle/ light Heavyweight opposition was significantly better than Foster's. Other than Tiger & Fourie, not much to speak of. I think foster is pretty overrated in the grand scheme of things. Certainly had the power to stop anybody, jones would have to be careful, but my guess is he boxes his way to a quite comfortable decision.


I think the jab and the size is hard to get around, not to mention the power. It wouldn't be easy for either guy.
PWillIsGod
QUOTE(Pickledeggssays @ Oct 10 2009, 05:56 AM) *

I think the jab and the size is hard to get around, not to mention the power. It wouldn't be easy for either guy.



Foster's chin was more suspect than Roy's. He did have a great jab and power. His money punch was his hook and my money is on Roy getting his there first. Just hard to see anyone talk about Jones competition when you look at the names on Foster's ledger.
Sugar
RJJ by UD in 12 or KO in 14.

RJJ had beaten guys with height, great jabs and power- though admittedly not in the same package as Foster. Bob had never, ever seen anyone with the athletecism of RJJ- not even Ali. Foster isn't so confident in the jab when he's hard countered with rights and lefts from angles he's never seen before. It's only competitive early.
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