Based off what you see tonight lets get a thread going with current, updated predictions. If anything, the two pound payout should be an indicator that this fight is happening, Floyd doesnt want to risk anything fucking up that Manny money.


Floyd has been off too long before now to even make a guess imo. I used to take Floyd by stoppage, tonight we should get somewhat of a gauge to compare the two. I am aware all the specifics wont exactly line up, (weight, Marquez's age, etc etc) but its fucking close.

What's close?

will reply after tonight as well but before hand. JMM is more difficult fight for Mayweather than Pac is. Pac will come right at Mayweather, is off balance alot and is still pretty much a one handed fighter. It will take 3 rounds for Mayweather to get his timing then it will be over and Pac will take a beating for as long as the fight lasts. This fight will probally never happen because Floyd is not taking less money and Pac will insist Mayweather weighs 142. The only way this fight happens is if it is at 147 (or a weight stipulation like in the JMM fight were the penalty isnt that severe for coming in over weight) and mayweather gets the bigger cut of the purse. Mayweather TKO 9

Your prediction is wrong on just about every point. It's incredible.

not really. Its only wrong to you because you cant take pacs nuts out of your mouth for more than a few mins at a time

You just never seem to know what you are talking about. I do give you credit though, you are unrelenting with it.

the onl thing you dissagree with me is Pac your love affair for pac will not let you look at anything objectively when it comes to him. he is an aggresive come forward guy, who is very left hand dependent and has a tendency to lunge and get himself off balance. Mayweather does best with guys who come at him. JLC gave him trouble but Pac and JLC are not the same fighter. JLC had a tighter defense, applied very smart pressure, was gigantic and had a chin of granite. The judah thing is really not a good comparision because Judah did not attack Mayweather and only really had success for like 2 rounds till Mayweather adjusted to what judah was doing.

There isn't anything close to an agreement in place for Money-Pac, but nice try (not really, LOL). Money just cares more about his 0 and coming in comfortable than he does a few extra dollars. That's all this means. If anything, Money not makng 144 will prevent him from agreeing to future catchweights, which Pac will surely ask for.

Pac doesn't really want the fight, so this might be a blessing in disguise.

You honestly believe that you are objective? Wow.

I'd take Pac by clear decision. Floyd will hate fighting a powerful southpaw who is faster than he is.

I'm still tripping that jacket still thinks Pac is a "primarily" one-handed fighter who continues to lunge off-balance in light of his two-fisted clinical destruction of Diaz, Oscar, and Hatton, particularly against Hatton, where his right hook was his key weapon.

This new version of Pacquiao will force Mayweather into a war. If Mayweather tries to stay back and pot-shot, or try to play safety first, he will lose, and possibly get beaten up in the process. Pac is gonna be on him from as many angles as possible for all 12 rounds, and for once, Mayweather won't be able to dictate the entire fight.

Mayweather has the skills and tools to go to war, but that's not enough. Does he have the stomach for it? Because Pacquiao is a man who savors war.

Floyd wins by fairly convincing decision, that is unless tonight shows me something unexpected.

I don't think this fight will ever happen though, two fighters who both cherry pick opponents and both believe they are worth the majority of any purse split are unlikely to ever fight each other.

hatton, DLH and Diaz. They all suck dont care what Pac looked like against guys who had no shot in hell of doing anything against him. Floyd is the offensive machine we say against Gatti. look at the second marquez fight which was in what March of 08. Marquez had Pac off balance, lunging and his right hand was practically none existent. did pac improve that dramatically over a year and a half or did his level of compettion severely decrease. In terms of skill level Marquez is the closest thing to Mayweather. Marquez had issues with Pacs athleticism not his skills. JMM is not the level of athlete Pac is or Mayweather is. Mayweather however is the same level athlete that Pac is and is much more technically skilled. Marquez is an outstanding athlete. Pac and Mayweather are exceptional/elite athletes

I'd favor PBF at this point, but after tonight this might change, that's why they make the fights.

Personally Pacquiao is still largely a straight left guy, his right hook isn't that versatile. I don't think he can lead with his right hand effectively against the top guys, however if you're coming straight at him ala Hatton and Diaz, it will do a no. on you.

I think where Pac has improved is his defense, he doesn't seem as easy to catch when he's exclusively on defense, however he still looks very open for counter punching.

If Cotto beats Pacman it will be by counter punching and taking advantage of some of his technical weaknesses (like his right hook and right hand in general imo). Pac will have to utilize his right and left uppercut for that fight, it's not a punch he seems to throw.

fuck nevermind.

I dont even want to see the fight.

Pbf by convincing UD / Late stoppage (Pac will leave more openings than JMM did)

I completely forgot going into last night that Mayweather is slowly becoming Roy Jones. He doesnt want to actually fight anyone and his incredible god given talents allow this. I havent been that bored with a fight since well............ shit, Oscar-Pbf. Floyd showed that he is still untouchable by anything more than a complete glance. Thats awesome. For about 5 rounds. Then i start to wonder what else is on because it gets a little fucking boring watching him demonstrate how to effectively pot shot and elude punches till 1am. He has no problems stinking it out and will do the same against Pac. Even as a Pac fan i dont think he has much chance to touch Floyd, the only person i think that could meet Floyd in weight with a realistic chance to win would be Paul. Even Shane would have been wiffing a lot last night.

Floyd could fight Bin Laden next and i would skip paying 60 dollars for it.

Floyd by UD over anyone with a pulse around 147, but everyone falls asleep by 10th. Hes slightly more exciting than watching Josh Clottey. I know there are some boxing fans who love the sort of showcase he puts on, but ive seen it enough. The only real drama comes hoping he will make a mistake and get hit with a punch. A full fight of it is just overdose.

I thoroughly enjoy watching him display his craft. I give him this one, it was a comeback PPV against a decent name and P4P guy (at 130 anyway...) but we have got to see some Shane, PWill, Cotto soon.

To answer the OP, I have always had MW beating Pac, all last night did was sway others to agree.

A few differences that could mean something in the match...

Unlike JMM, Pac won't be adding weight. He's already where he needs to be.

Speed. Pac has it.

I guess we will never know how big Floyd was last night. Have a guess?

Pacquiao Mayweather is a much different fight stylistically, there isn't much you can draw from this one. Well, perhaps the fact that Floyd is still sharp. I expected that though.

I'd probably slightly favor Mayweather just like I did before last night. JMM was mostly schooled by speed and reflexes, advantages he wouldn't have much with Pac. It's a very interesting fight. I'd still rather see Floyd fight Cotto.

nothing changes. Pac is more competitive early because of his speed. But he is not as good technically and defensively as Marquez is and will run himself into punches and be more open during the fight. Pac is also about an inch shorter than Marquez isnt he. This fight is uncompetitive and there is no need to see it. Its a wide UD or late stoppage for Mayweather. We NEED to see Mayweather-Mosely

JMM barely moved his head and couldn't get into range without getting popped he was so slow in comparison. The only way Pacquiao would get hit that much is if he walked in a straight line with his hands down. That would never happen.

With MW being the bigger man, Pacquiao will have the same range problems. If JMM could counter Pac all night long, I would certainly expect the same from a faster (than Marquez) and more defensively sound fighter. Given that Pac comes forward all night, that just makes it easier for MW to do what he does best.

Exactly my thoughts. I am a huge fan of Pac, but I don't give him a good chance in this one.

BTW, do we have Mayweather v Whittaker thread?

I hear where you are coming from and Ill get more into this should it take place.

JMM's 36 year old legs are slow and his reflexes and handspeed weren't there. Manny will be able to get into range, the question is what can he do when he gets there? There is no doubt anyone will have trouble landing on Floyd but I think being a southpaw changes things somewhat. Floyd to me looks less comfortable as he can't fight with that shoulder roll. He likes to keep that lead hand down and use it to bait his opponents and it doesn't work against a lefty. He will fight more conventionally and he's not comfortable doing that.

JMM countered the shit out of Pacquiao in the first fight. In the rematch it was a lot more leading. I think Manny has learned from that but I'll await the Cotto fight to see if he's still going in the right direction. If Manny tried to beat Floyd with just a left hand, he'll lose. However his experience against top notch opposition has made him realize the need for improvement, at least from what I've seen.

Do you think that Pacquiao will come forward all night against Cotto? Personally I don't.

I think Manny's short right will bother Mayweather and Cotto. Very hard to see punch from the conventional stance.

Agreed. Also, what I think is getting overlooked is that Mayweather HATES to get hit. Marquez had to eat plenty of return fire to do what he did to Pacquiao both times. No way Floyd opens up with combinations like Marquez did. He'll try to slip, dodge, and pot shot like he always does. Much tougher against a guy as fast as Pac.

Floyd by domination, he is the best fighter in the world. I want the Mosley fight, Pac will be lucky to win 2 rds.

if not get stopped. He is going to have the same range issues as marquez. He will have to jump in and lunge more than often which is going to be a disaster against a bigger guy with better reflexes than him. mayweather is more comfortable countering. Judah had success, limited and early with his left because of his speed but he is also as tall as floyd and i think had the same exact reach, he didnt have the range issues Marquez had or Pac will have. Can we stop the bullshit that Mayweather hates to get hit and all that shit. Again lets all root for Cotto so we dont have to see another domination and we can see a PBF-Mosely or PBF-Cotto.

Im i the only one that thinks Mayweather carried JMM a little bit in the fight. Which im glad about because i didnt want to see he him really open up and hurt JMM.

Id take Pacquiao by decision.

You're not the only one who thinks Mayweather carried him. That was part of my frustration with the fight. It was clear after the first 3 rounds that when Marquez hit Floyd, and contrary to what some have said here Marquez did hit him, he couldn't hurt him. Floyd could have walked Marquez down and tried to get him out of there. Instead he practically bored me to sleep. The post fight interview was more interesting than the fight.

Pacman-Floyd is a closer fight than some are admitting here. If that fight comes off I imagine it will be staged at a catchweight below 146 and that the penalty for being overweight will be significantly steeper. Floyd will have to give up a little, as will Manny by moving up. Manny will be the faster man and I think his speed and power will pose some problems for Floyd. I think he'll do at least as well as Judah. Pacman-Cotto will tell us more about Manny's chances in this fight. He'll get hit by Cotto and he won't just blast Cotto out of there the way he did Hatton.

Floyd on points. I thought that before I predicted he would stop Marquez. Still think he should have stopped Marquez. I blame Floyd Sr.

Id be interested in seeing the board reaction if Floyd actually fights a live body in Manny. Probably a lot of head scratching and excuses from the Floyd faithful.

id be pissed at floyd if he fights Pac instead of Mosely. If he fights Pac he is cherry picking the biggest payday possible for zero risk. He had that fight already with Oscar, he can get 1 pass from me but not again. Shane is a smaller payday probally and a much more difficult fight. Floyd toys with and stops Pac if he presses the issue, shane will force Floyd to show the best of himself.

Oscar wasn't relevant, if Pacquiao beats Cotto in November he will be. If they fight, hopefully Floyd doesn't come in thinking that way about Manny because he would be in for a serious shock.

He will toy with Pac just like he did Marquez. Cotto and Mayweather fight nothing alike. Pac is tailor made for floyd about as much as any elite is. If it does happen (which i seriously doubt) we can sig bet on your terms

Marquez and Pacquiao are two different fights and two different styles. Cotto has size and has faced quality opposition. Manny has yet to face a legit welter and in fighting Cotto, it will sort out whether or not he can compete there.

Im cool with a sig bet, absolutely.

Marquez and Pac are different. Pac plays right into what Mayweather is best at. He will come forward (corely and Judah didnt and those are the example people like to use), has big issues with a straight right hand and Floyd has probally the best one in boxing. Tends to lunge in and his balance is not great, plays right into a great counter punchers hands. He is going to also have a hell of an issue with the range issue.

We will agree to disagree all day on this, so if it does happen sig bet is on

Im not ready to write off Pacquiao`s chances yet. The Mayweather hysteria is pretty high right now because he looked good vs a 36 year old Featherweight.

If Manny looks good vs Cotto this next logical fight would be Floyd. Cotto will tell us alot.

You are a wise man sir and it is likely that time will prove you to be a visionary. The Mayweather by ownage crowd couldn't be any more wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pacquiao can't even get past Cotto.

Which is fine with me.. I think Cotto has more of a chance against Mayweather Jr than Pac does. That would be a decent fight.

Cotto is the my favorite for the November fight. I think Pac will be surprised by Cotto's strength and ultimately his sharpness in the squared circle. If I'm wrong then we will see Floyd-Pac.

i think Cotto will be more surprised at Pacquiao's strength. too many people underrate Pac's strength.

Otherworldly speed, coming from a southpaw destroyer with a great fighting spirit will trouble Floyd. His defensive moves won't look as sharp or natural against that combination.

There's just no way that Manny won't be able to get into range. Manny will make Floyd uncomfortable and he will have to take risks.

Don't worry. Pac and Roach want nothing to do with him. I'd be really surprised if Mosley wasn't Money's next victim. As long as Shane doesn't price himself out or have another dentist appointment.

manny is the one going to have to take chances to get into range and he is going to get hit by floyds straight right hand. Which i have a feeling he isnt going to like. Floyd punches considerably harder than Marquez. Hope there are alot of people who think like you do and make the odds worth betting, it will quick easy money if this fight comes off and the odds are good. Last fight i was this sure of was Winky-Tito and i think got winky at 4-1

Floyd has two things that might pretty much shut down Pac. His reach (which is obvious) and his mobility. When you combine the two, Pac will have to be quicker than he's ever been to make it a fight.

Pac has always enjoyed a huge mobility advantage against guys like MAB and EM, Floyd is probably the one guy who can match or perhaps even surpass Pac in terms of mobility.

I can see why you think Floyd will have to take chances. Pac makes it difficult to fight him in the center of the ring because of his defensive foot work and occasional head movement.

but you forget that PBF is more patient than Pac, he'll probably decide to jab Pac to the body, he'll force Pac to chase him and when that happens the fight is in his comfort zone.

No doubt Pac is strong for his frame, but Cotto is a very compact welterweight. He's a pitbull of a welterweight.

By strength I mean the feeling Pac will have when his punches land on Cotto's guard, when he feels Cotto boxing him into a corner and then the strength behind Cotto's punches even when they land on Manny's arms or gloves.

Pac can only really hurt Cotto if he catches him clean and hard on the chin, Cotto can hurt Pac in many other ways, he can probably force his punches through Pac's guard, no way does Pac have the strength to do the same to Miguel.

Pac's speed will more than make up for whatever strength disadvantage there is. He will make Cotto look like a used tampon

I dunno about that. It's not like Cotto hasn't fought quick guys before - Shane & Zab are both fast, and much bigger than Pac.

Factors I can think of in Pac's favor are that Cotto's jab will be somewhat nullified by Pac's southpaw stance, that Cotto doesn't have a really good right hand (though he touched Shane with it a bunch), and that Cotto might be drained.

The first factor is mitigated by the fact that Cotto can fight from a southpaw stance.

I still think Cotto will win.