Twelve rounds. Who & why?

Ike would stay attacking, i can see him pressuring Ruddock and stopping him. Morrison really rang his bell and he got back up, Ruddock was no bitch, but Ike would probably keep coming.

I know everyone will come in here and shit all over Ike but in his extremely short prime he was a fucking beast. Anyone would have had a hell of a time with the guy.

When talking about Ruddock? I think Ike is safe.

I bet Ike vs Holmes would have been a hell of a scrap. Holmes wouldve handled him, but it would have been a hell of a thing to see.

Or Ike vs (again a short prime) Ray Mercer.

The President show Razor exactly why he was The President

One problem i could see Ike having is that he used to dip in a lot with the cross-arm defense, bending inside to throw an overhand right or hook, and Rudduck LOVED to take small steps back and fire one of those 3/4 uppercuts or "hookercuts," whatever you wanna call em. That's the shot that gave Tyson trouble in both of their fights. I can see Rudduck catching Ike coming in with those.

Ike could take shots though, and he had some punching power himself. Razor's chin wasn't "bad," but I'd definitely give Ike the advantage in that department, and that plus his activity level would probably get my vote.

Rudduck was a pretty good fighter though. He just happened to fight during an era where he couldn't possibly be the best.

ibeabuchi by tko in 6-7......ike was a bad man...

The nine-fight edge in experience (taking Ruddock from the conclusion of '91 & the Ibeabuchi from the close in '98), & having been in there with Tyson twice over --- anyone place any weight in that in Ruddock's favour, even if they're picking him to lose?

Damn. Now that's a hell of a fight.

I dont think Razor had any ring sense. Intelligent enough guy but he found a way to lose his biggest fights. Didnt use his jab or righthand. Ike had two hands and a good chin. My $ is on Prez by KO.

He definitely gets credit for the Tyson fights because, even in losing, they're two of his best performances, and he probably got a lot of retroactive credit for showing balls and tenacity in there against Mike.

Funny thing though, Razor got KO'd early in his career by David Jaco, who was one of the tall, really gangly white dudes with a funny haircut that belonged to the Mike Tyson 1-round demolition tour early in his career.

Integrital, I'm going from memory here, but wasn't Jaco a one-round victim of the returning Foreman in the late-80's, as well?

I remember the fight with Jaco well. Ruddock was better throughout, I felt watching it. It was a shame it ended the way it did for a young fighter like that, but fighting to the end is the name of the game, & I give Jaco (plenty of) credit for hanging in there. Still, Ruddock outclassed him pretty handily.

I think Razor had an asthma attack during that fight.

I suppose I should've said "TKO'd" rather than "KO'd," but still...I don't know much about that stoppage in retrospect, just that Ruddock told his corner he couldn't breath and they stopped it.

An asterisk for sure, but my point was more about that it amused me Jaco beat Razor and Tyson flattened Jaco years before they both fought.

He had a case of Asthma when he was fighting Jaco

Razor was more evidence of Tyson slipping than anything good. Ike by KO.

Ike by decision based on a flash KD or two, he had the edge in chin and stamina, Ruddock was probably a bigger puncher, but Ike was more accurate. Exciting fight for sure, I'd be cheering for Razor.

It's a shame he fell in love with bombing so much. He beat Mike weaver with movement and his jab. If he would have kept some of that in his arsenal, he could have went a long way.

I was never as high on Ibeabuchi as many others at the time (&, in retrospect, I think incarceration proved the best thing for his career, because I doubt he could have truly lived up to the absurdist hype which has followed his untimely end as a prizefighter) & always felt Ruddock was an under-rated contender, but I'd class this one a touch-&-go affair either was capable of winning.

Mercer, I see as more established (though his weight problems held him back. I believe he would've beaten Lewis, had he been in-shape. Opportunity lost, that night). I have to give him the benefit of the doubt against the promising, but ultimately over-estimated, Ibeabuchi.

Maybe for his reputation (though even that is fairly realistic I think...not too many people actually believe he was going to beat Lewis and restore balance to the force), but I'm not sure ending your career and going to prison for a quarter century is ever a great career move.

Yeah. It started to change after the Bonecrusher Smith fight. Razor came out boxing against Smith. Trying to use his speed and movement. He KOd him with a left then went on and destroyed Dokes and he was crazy insane for that Lefthook/upper.

I dont think Razor was ever that comfortable in the ring. He was looking for an easy way out hoping to get lucky with that haymaker all the time. He was so big and strong that had he just moved his hands and landed anything it would have had effect.

The way he lost to Morrison was criminally stupid. He was in control but decided to drop his hands and ask Tommy if he was really hurt.

Ike was the goods IMO. I dont think he was overated at all. He would have IMV went on and crushed Lennox. It will never be proven because he was touched but his skills and talent were pretty clear.

Obviously, I meant to convey reputation, not career, specifically. Correct, Porky.

Agreed, Lewis would have beaten Ibeabuchi with ease. Ruddock's pension for getting dropped is what makes me lean Ike's way here. But I would take Mercer over Ike without hesitation, assuming he cared.