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PWillIsGod
Hatton by one sided beat down.
indio1
hattons kills gatti's body and wears him down tko 9
Monzon
Hatton beats him. Gatti's power was a bit overrated at 140. I think he could hurt Ricky in spots, but Ricky was the bigger, stronger mann. He was significantly better than Ward, with whom Gatti went life and death.
luisio
gatti by ko
Gatti Forever
Gatti blows him out of there faster than Pac did. biggrin.gif
K X P
Hatton would win by knockout.

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DangerDong
Ricky had slowed down a lot by this time. This would be a good fight. Hatton probably wins late by stoppage but he doesnt have the kind the of blinding speed or power that keeps Gatti from getting up over and over. Also, Gatti wasnt a complete ghost yet. Mayweather really beat him up good and accelerated his deterioration a bit. This wouldnt be nearly as one sided imo. Hatton still wins late but a fun fight.
SpontaneousFury
Not really, Gatti was a club fighter and he would have been spanked badly.
DangerDong
QUOTE(Pickledeggssays @ Sep 10 2009, 02:44 PM) *

Not really, Gatti was a club fighter and he would have been spanked badly.



Based on what? Hattons fearsome power? Or was it his blinding speed? While i agree Hatton is an all around better fighter, at his peak it took him 9 rounds to get rid of Carlos Maussa.


Gtfo with spanked badly. He wouldve won but he could be touched and Gatti still had a punch when he fought Dorin.
SpontaneousFury
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Based on what? Hattons fearsome power? Or was it his blinding speed? While i agree Hatton is an all around better fighter, at his peak it took him 9 rounds to get rid of Carlos Maussa.


Gtfo with spanked badly. He wouldve won but he could be touched and Gatti still had a punch when he fought Dorin.


Hatton was all around better? Gatti did nothing well, Hatton beats his ass pretty easily. It's a mismatch. Club fighter vs elite fighter, it's no fun.
DangerDong
Again i fail to see where this is a complete mismatch. Maussa was not that tough a guy. I like Ricky, but lets not act like hes a top tier guy. If he wouldnt have mugged an old Kostya half to death i think that fight might have looked a lot different.

Again i think Floyd really hastened the deterioration of Gatti, if you take him from just a few fights up he is leaps and bounds better in every sense of the word than Maussa. And tougher. I dont see where Hatton blinds him in some mismatch. Everyone that can bang, has banged against him. Gatti may not win, but he would hit and get hit. If the fight is in Atlantic city you can say goodbye to the Ruiz shit too, no ref in Arturos backyard would let that happen. Shit, Gatti may even have a chance here, fuck the bullshit.

Is Gatti before Mayweather more spent than the shell of Castillo? Its close, but i would go with Castillo being the more shot of the two at this point in eithers career. This fight would also mean Ricky just moved back down in weight as well. I give Arturo a punches chance to hurt Ricky and pull the upset. Callazo had just dented and dinged Hatton all over the place the previous fight, Gatti could get lucky and land one of his home runs. You guys are making this sound like Dlh-Gatti and its not.
SpontaneousFury
QUOTE(DangerDong @ Sep 12 2009, 04:01 AM) *

Again i fail to see where this is a mismatch. Maussa was not that tough a guy. I like Ricky, but lets not act like hes a top tier guy. If he wouldnt have mugged an old Kostya half to death i think that fight might have looked a lot different.

Again i think Floyd really hastened the deterioration of Gatti, if you take him from just a few fights up he is leaps and bounds better in every sense of the word than Maussa. And tougher. I dont see where Hatton blinds him in some mismatch. Everyone that can bang, has banged against him. Gatti may not win, but he would hit and get hit. If the fight is in Atlantic city you can say goodbye to the Ruiz shit too, no ref in Arturos backyard would let that happen. Shit, Gatti may even have a chance here, fuck the bullshit.

Is Gatti before Mayweather more spent than the shell of Castillo? Its close, but i would go with Castillo being the more shot of the two at this point in eithers career. This fight would also mean Ricky just moved back down in weight as well. I give Arturo a punches chance to hurt Ricky and pull the upset. Callazo had just dented and dinged Hatton all over the place the previous fight, Gatti could get lucky and land one of his home runs. You guys are making this sound like Dlh-Gatti and its not.


- Hatton was certainly an elite fighter at 40lbs. If he didn't beat Kostya? How about we take away his workrate and speed? How about we take away his aggressive style and make him just box the whole time? I don't get the suggestion, honestly. You gained a lot of perspective from the Maussa bout didn't you? I don't view that fight as having any significance really. Was that a tough fight for Ricky? Geez Maussa could have beaten Gatti.

- You can take the BEST version of Gatti who ever lived in a p4p fight and Hatton beats him up. Anything less is just sad. Gatti iwas that mediocre and Hatton was actually pretty damn good.

Seriously what is Gatti going to do, outbox Ricky? laugh.gif Or use his shitty fighting ability that had him in a war with Ward ? The dude didn't know how to avoid a punch.
DangerDong
QUOTE(Pickledeggssays @ Sep 12 2009, 08:34 AM) *

Seriously what is Gatti going to do, outbox Ricky? laugh.gif Or use his shitty fighting ability that had him in a war with Ward ? The dude didn't know how to avoid a punch.


Ward fought nothing like Hatton so i dont know what that would tell us. Hatton actually leaves more openings to be hit than Ward did. You act like Hatton is elusive. Ward came forward with his hands high and let Arturo wail till his hands were mush. And his shitty fighting ability? You mean proving my point in the second fight when he unleashed the monster punch that broke his hand and Wards face? You telling me Hatton takes that punch? Gtfo here.

All im saying is he has a little better than a punchers chance. Gatti could hit. You can act like he was a complete bum, thats fine, but i saw the man get himself out of some tough spots with a well placed shots.

Hatton is not the granite monster you want him to be. I never said Arturo would outbox him, hes going to war and if its in Atlantic city, Hatton is going to get hit some. He was almost completely out on his feet against Callazo, Gatti has none of the defense of Callazo but he does have some punch left at this point.

Your argument seems to be that Ricky is simply "better" therefore he will simply blow through him in a one sided affair. This fight is only two fights removed from Maussa who was a complete bum of all bums. Yet you insist that a fighter that took 9 rounds to get rid of Maussa will move up in weight, get knocked out completely on his feet, then move back down and get rid of Gatti in 3. You are wrong as usual.

Hattton wins 8 fights out of 10. Maybe 9. But not before getting hit flush some and Gattis corner probably has to throw in the towel. Mayweather made Gatti look stupid, Hatton just isnt nowhere near that good. At least one fight out of 10 Gatti connects with the Jorge Castro punch and knocks Hatton stupid. He was capable of it.
SpontaneousFury
Ok, you got me man. I thought you were serious until that last one. Ward was a punching bag and so was Gatti so it was a pretty even matchup. Hatton is tougher to hit than Ward, by a good bit. A) he smothers his opponents (quick feet and closing the gap) B ) his activity rate puts his opponents on the defensive. Hatton was a much better fighter than Gatti, Gatti's fighting ability consisted of being reckless and dumb.

I wouldn't give Gatti a punchers chance so im not sure how he could have anything better than that. Gatti had decent power, he isn't the puncher you are making him out to be. Gatti wasn't a bum, he was right above that.

I don't want Hatton to be anything, there is a gross difference between fighting the likes of Money May and Pacman and fighting Gatti. Floyd made Gatti look pathetic and Pacman would have stopped him in a round or two so brutally that he'd never have even got to Gomez. Comparing Collazo to Gatti makes zero sense. Stylistically they are completely different, it was harder work for Hatton and he was bigger.

It doesn't take much to be better than Gatti. I agree that Hatton doesn't stop him early but he definitely kicks his ass. Inside all day, outside all day, mid range however he wanted it. Maussa was not a bum compared to Gatti, that'd probably be the toughest fight of his life that he could win. BTW, not sure what Maussa has to do with anything, it's pretty weak trying to work him into this discussion.

Gatti never beat anybody as good as Hatton, it's a lot of wishful thinking. Ricky was tough, too tough and too good for Gatti to be an issue. Shit Corley would make Gatti look bad. You think because he happened to hit a midget in the stomach that he was something special. You should know better than that.
loadedgloves
Hatton by brutal & gory beatdown.
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