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The Sly Fox
Hard to figure, but who wants to take a crack at it?
Sex Machine
Did Monzon ever fight effectivley at this weight?
The Sly Fox
Never, & Moorer was there only briefly. It's pretty difficult to imagine. I might favour Monzon's experience.
luisio
i like monzon...but im thinkin wouldnt moorer be just a little too big for monzon....
prodigious1
Monzon is the better, smarter, tougher fighter. Enough for me. He'd catch Moorer with punches that he never saw coming, during exchanges.

A 15lb weight advantage don't mean more than quality, style and the other intangibles that Monzon has in his favour.

Young Moorer is going to beat Carlos Mozon at the peak of his experience? That's tough to swallow.

It''s not about fighting AT 175. It's about fighting at a comfortable weight AGAINST a specific 175 lb man. That's what gets lost in these current fight deals and mythical match-ups.

Young Moorer had tools, but you're not going convince me that he had the maturity, mentality, grit or skills to beat Monzon. No.
The Sly Fox
QUOTE(prodigious1 @ Aug 8 2009, 11:22 PM) *

Monzon is the better, smarter, tougher fighter. Enough for me. He'd catch Moorer with punches that he never saw coming, during exchanges.

A 15lb weight advantage don't mean more than quality, style and the other intangibles that Monzon has in his favour.

Young Moorer is going to beat Carlos Mozon at the peak of his experience? That's tough to swallow.

It''s not about fighting AT 175. It's about fighting at a comfortable weight AGAINST a specific 175 lb man. That's what gets lost in these current fight deals and mythical match-ups.

Young Moorer had tools, but you're not going convince me that he had the maturity, mentality, grit or skills to beat Monzon. No.


Well-put (whether you agree with it or not).
Monzon
QUOTE(prodigious1 @ Aug 8 2009, 10:22 PM) *

Monzon is the better, smarter, tougher fighter. Enough for me. He'd catch Moorer with punches that he never saw coming, during exchanges.

A 15lb weight advantage don't mean more than quality, style and the other intangibles that Monzon has in his favour.

Young Moorer is going to beat Carlos Mozon at the peak of his experience? That's tough to swallow.

It''s not about fighting AT 175. It's about fighting at a comfortable weight AGAINST a specific 175 lb man. That's what gets lost in these current fight deals and mythical match-ups.

Young Moorer had tools, but you're not going convince me that he had the maturity, mentality, grit or skills to beat Monzon. No.


Not sure I like this matchup for Monzon. He was not really a slick, in and out fighter. He'd catch some hard shots from Moorer. And while he had a great chin, I'm not sure he would have had the kind of power at 175 that he had at 160. As a MW, Monzon was usually the bigger man, against Moorer he'd be significantly smaller, and his feet weren't exactly the quickest in the world. I think Moorer would be doing most of the hitting early at least. The question is can Monzon absorb Moorer's punches well enough early and still mount an effective offense later. I have my doubts. Monzon was an all time great at 160 and could have been at 168 as well. At 175 I think he would have been less formidable.
SpontaneousFury
How is it 15lbs? Did Moorer really come into the ring at 175lbs?
indio1
a great smaller man beats a good bigger man
Sex Machine
Monzon really used his height and range well. He was a master of distance. He wouldnt have those advantages against somebody this big.
SpontaneousFury
Monzon was a middleweight and shouldn't really be in the lightheavy discussion.
Monzon
QUOTE(Pickledeggssays @ Aug 12 2009, 02:36 PM) *

Monzon was a middleweight and shouldn't really be in the lightheavy discussion.


There are some light heavyweights that I think he'd match up well against. But Moorer wasn't one of them. Too tall. Someone else here mentioned that Monzon usually played the role of the matador and used his height and reach advantages to pummel his opponents as they came to him. He couldn't do that against Moorer, because Moorer would be the bigger man. While I've seen Monzon walk opponents down. I never saw him do it to a guy who was as big and heavy handed as Moorer.
SpontaneousFury
QUOTE(Monzon @ Aug 12 2009, 08:18 PM) *

There are some light heavyweights that I think he'd match up well against. But Moorer wasn't one of them. Too tall. Someone else here mentioned that Monzon usually played the role of the matador and used his height and reach advantages to pummel his opponents as they came to him. He couldn't do that against Moorer, because Moorer would be the bigger man. While I've seen Monzon walk opponents down. I never saw him do it to a guy who was as big and heavy handed as Moorer.


Whether you'd pick him in a MM against light heavyweights or not, I personally don't like it. Not because he couldn't but rather never proved that he could.
Monzon
QUOTE(Pickledeggssays @ Aug 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

Whether you'd pick him in a MM against light heavyweights or not, I personally don't like it. Not because he couldn't but rather never proved that he could.


There were some smaller light heavyweights that I'd give him a good shot of beating. Dick Tiger comes to mind. But there certainly would be a big question mark about his ability at 175 because he never fought there. That would keep me from Picking Monzon in MMs with bigger lightheavyweights.
PWillIsGod
Monzon had long arms, I don't see where height is going to cause any problems here. Moorer fought out of a crouch and Carlos stood tall, arm length was probably even. It is tough to predict what carlos would do with a guy that outweighs him by 25 or 30lbs. All in all, Moorer was a better fighter at Heavyweight, his Light Heavy career is way more reputation than it was substance.
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