Remember that old Shane would have been a middleweight back in the day. They are the same size.

Mosley is a 5'9 160 lb tank right now. Very strong, and extremely powerful. He'll have a speed advantage and he's also got the chin to deal with the incoming.

Fullmer was a master of the clinch. Brutally strong and tough like Shane, but applies the heavier pressure. Both guys know what they are doing in the trenches and aren't afraid to mix it up.

What do ya think?

12 and/or 15 rounds.

Watching it you'd be like "Have I seen this before?"


I'm going with Mosley, very rough, but clear in 12. Gene could make up the difference in 15.

What a great, great matchup. I don't know. You have to figure at the end of the day Shane's speed is an advantage he can rely on. This fight comes down to who can sustain their physical strength the longest.

Good call on not being fooled by this whole weight class thing. I honestly think you have to shift weight classes up when comparing modern guys to old timers. Current WWs have to be compared to MWs, MWs to LHWs etc etc.

K X P

Id take Fullmer on points.

he had an awkward, smothering style and didnt give boxers very much room. his chin was very solid and he used his physical strength to his advantage. Mayorga`s awkward aggression bothered Mosley for most of their fight but Fullmer was bigger and a better fighter.

I dont think that Shane would have enough power to make Gene hesitate coming in. Gene Fullmer maybe the ugliest style but he was effective.

Mosley couldn't hurt Fullmer with a sledgehammer, & I think it's a key point in this match-up. I do think size matters, here --- to some extent. Mosley, for mine, peaked as a fighting machine at Lightweight --- that's not insignificant.

Fullmer exhibited, on more than one occasion, trouble with speed, & even an old Mosley has that, but only one fighter is getting bullied up-close, & the Mosley we're talking about here, for mine, just doesn't throw in the type of combination to get the job done. You don't struggle in patches against Mayorga, & turn around to beat Fullmer, IMO.

Fullmer on points. Mosley's awful tough, so I'm giving his durability the benefit of the doubt, but he's never felt anything like the bruising a Fullmer-type could dish out. It'd be tough on that body.

Fullmer had too much strength. 154 was iffy for Shane. Shane was a nice welter but after that he was 50/50.

Fullmer was a tough, slow SOB.

Shane has the power to sting anyone. I think he proved that in his last fight. He's absolutely hitting harder than ever these days. Many people said Margarito was going to kill him based on the Mayorga fight, too. Fullmer's style isn't the same as Mayo's, who throws ever shot with murder on it. He's a steady guy, while Ricky is wild.

Not saying Shane would stop him, but you'd see these bombs blasting off Fullmer's face when they have space. Shane can also handle himself in the clinch. He's shown that against Cotto and Margo and if you've ever seen him spar, you know he practices it.

Shane, as a welter, is a middleweight.

Shane as a lightweight is a welterweight.

So really, what you're saying Sly, is that Shane peaked at what would have been welterweight. There was never 2 weight classes separating these guys.

Agreed

that would be the main problem for Mosley though. Getting space and room to get his shots off. Fullmer was a mauler. Not an easy guy to time. He made classic boxers rush everything that they did. Therefore they couldnt get the power on their shots they usually did had they had more time.

Believe me, I'm a BIG Fullmer fan. I loved watching him pound Benny Paret in close. That's why I love this fight. Shane won't get manhandled like that. He's probably just as strong as Gene and will hit him with the big shots.

I just don't see what Mosley has done in his career to warrant the benefit of the doubt here.

You beat an old Ray Robinson two out of four (& possibly three), you can beat an older, smaller, lesser fighter in Mosley, IMO (I'd bank on Robinson being tougher than Mosley, too, but he admitted fights with Fullmer were physical hell --- he, a fully-fledged Middleweight).

Agreed. I think Shane would have a tough time getting space, and he'd also have to come with getting elbowed and having Fulmer's head banging about on the inside. I think he'd end up taking a bit of a going over here.

Styles mean more than accomplishments (I think boxing has proven that more than a few times) in these things, and a guy his size, not hard to hit clean, who will come to him and FIGHT is right up his alley.

Styles and timing mean more than who is more accomplished. I think boxing has made that pretty clear.

I have no problem with Fullmer winning, but it has to be fair reasoning.

If you really believe Fullmer is that much better than Shane, then OK, but I don't see it. He's also no bigger. There's no getting around that. If Gene had the extra day these guys have there is no way he'd be a middleweight.


edit- The ref could/would play a big part in this. You don't know how much a modern ref would let Gene get away with. I mean he tagged Ray Robinson literally hundreds of times on the back on the head (very dangerous) and nothing happened. Don't think you'd see that today. Especially since Shane will voice his opinion to the ref if he thinks the other guy is being dirty.

Fullmer was a strong middle - and naturally 160 pounds. The lightweight version of Shane you see going up against him is only 147-150. Shane is still the smaller man in there, and against a bigger, rougher fighter... I don't like his chances, and I don't agree that he'll be as strong on the inside, and especially not as comfortable.

I wish this was common knowledge, because it's the truth over 90% of the time.

Why isn't he bigger? He's a full fledged 160 pounds... and while they weren't crazy dry outs back then, fighters still put on a few pounds by the time of the fight.

Fullmer is bigger. I don't think there's any question about that.

He's also not that easy to time. He's kind of awkard in that respect.

Shane is better P4P. He's not better head to head.


edit - never mind my earlier comments regarding size, I see this is old Shane Mosley.

Old Shane had a tough time getting space against Vargas the first time. He'd have a tougher time against Fullmer.

I prefer the younger Shane's chances, as he had better legs and put his punches together.

Shane is 160 lbs as well when in peak condition. Has been for a good while now. Fullmer was also the same height or a half inch shorter. 2 lbs does not make him the bigger man.

-never mind. saw yer edit.

Who's to say the fight takes place today? Is it not just as legitimate to say if the fight takes place in Fullmer's time, Mosley's pleas (& I believe Fullmer bulls & hurts him sufficiently to induce just that on Mosley's part) will fall on deaf ears?

I agree. He was allowed to brain stem Robinson like nuts.

It was more part-&-parcel of the game back then, though. It was never permitted, & I'm not excusing it, but, like most sports, Boxing is a lot more discerning about rough tactics now than it was then.

fullmer too strong for mosley....mosley wouldnt be able to put a dent on him.....fullmer W15