not Vit KLitschko on Sept 12th.

Talk about a curveball

Wow, I guess Haye REALLY wants a title. geez.

Yeah there were rumours about this, I'd hoped that they weren't true, what a joke.

What...the...fuck?

If its in Germany that sucks for Haye. About three times now Valuev has lost the title and still managed to keep it. Shit, Valuev has a ton of questionable wins.

He didn't beat Larry Donald and got a majority decision in an eliminator.
He didn't beat John Ruiz to win the title initially.
He didn't beat John Ruiz to defend his title.
He didn't beat Evander Holyfield in a title defense.

I'll have a story up tonight with some comments from K2.

So when does Haye pull out of this fight?

I'd like to think this one doesn't go as far as the final bell, I'm really disappointed if this has been made.

I'd like to blame this on Klits and their ridiculous contract demands... the alternative is harder to swallow.

Does this open up the date for Arreola then?

I dont know but all he is doing is delaying himself getting KTFO from either Klit brother. Hopefully he does not lose to the Yetti.

Chris name has been mentioned, so he is a possibility IMO

From decapitated heads to this? I haven't seen this many wolf tickets sold since the Camron-50 Cent beef.

why are we talking about
heavyweights?
again

they're only gonna
break your heart
disapoint you
bore you to tears
or
offend your masculinity

If Haye signs off to face Klitshcko's ma and pop, then backs out of those commitments. Is that considered a Grand Slam?

My 1st reaction is to slam Haye since he's the dude making all the noise BUT I have no idea what these contracts are like or what comprises a fair offer.

Can anyone speak intelligently to why Haye would do this? Is it the offer?

please stop making sense

sincerely
the management

Haye says that K2 would control the opponents and dates of his next few fights if he signed the contract. Though I'm sure K2 is saying something different.

I wouldn't argue that, but here's the thing, I was told( and again, I know its from a K2 rep) but why would he basically agree to the same thing to face Wlad in June?

What changed?

Good point. Maybe his back's still acting up.

Yeah, but Setanta Sports had nada to do with him anymore

maybe im speaking from ignorance, but Haye sure seems like one of those dudes who woofs it up, but when it comes time to fight, he'll keep circling to avoid the fight

the thing is, there's nothing wrong w/ this. Stepping to a Klit as your 2nd fight at HW is a tough task. But the way he talks makes him look ghey.

fuk HWs.

This is simple...what changed is he had to fight the Klitschko with a big punch and a big chin and realized that when he got knocked out in the first or second round, he'd have limited future marketability.

Don't be shocked if Valuev wins folks.

Don't disagree with anything you stated

This is what I suspect.

i dont mind this now arreola can fight him, if i was haye i would go for valuev too it's the easiest road to a title. but what makes it gay is all the shit he talked.

If the money was similar for the FrankenKlitschko and Valuev fights, it was a no-brainer. Yeah, he looks stupid for talking shit but this fight is much more winnable. Just getting the win gets him bigtime exposure and marketability in the UK, regardless if he ever fights or beats the Ambiguously Gay Duo.

Wlad and Vitaly



I wouldn't be shocked if Valuew wins but I would be surprised. Valuev is awful.

Heavyweight savior fail.

No doubt he will win the fight and make bigfoot look like a fool, but then lose the decision on the cards. Bigfoot has lost how many times without actually losing?

Haye has his work cut out for him. He will have to be VERY active and just pepper Bigfoot with shots all night long. That is something I think he can do.

The best-best-best case scenario for us as boxing fans would be Haye beating Valuev, Arreola getting a shot at Wlad and beating him. That would make Haye-Arreola HUGE and it could shut out the Klits from ruining the heavyweight division with their contract bullshit.

What probably happens, Valuev KO5 Haye + Wlad KO8 Arreola. And then we are where we were a few years ago. FUCK!

He could...he could also make Valuev look like a puncher. Who knows? What would it be like if '10 started with Povetkin, Arreola, and Haye atop the Heavyweight world? Could happen....unlikely, but still.

I am running out of ways to defend him now, however I will say this, based off what Steve said earlier, Haye was going to get screwed in this fight much like the last, he gets offered the Valuev fight and the logic is 'fight Valuev, get a belt and return in 6-8 months to fight a Klitschko with a belt as leverage allowing him to negotiate a much more even deal'. Can't really argue with that.

There, I've justified this move and everything is once more in order in my head, I've temporarily managed to silence the voices telling me Haye is slowly bitching out.

Valuev has a great chin so Haye probably has to outbox him for 12 to do this...this could be a long night.

Save yourself some time and ignore the whole division. The only times I have enjoyed heavyweight fights in the last few years has been seeing the Klits lose, Rahman getting teabagged by Maskaev, and the fool's paradise fight of Brewster/Liahkovich.

Everything you have said makes sense. The only thing I don't like is how much trash Haye was talking earlier, then does everything to not back it up.

But onward.....I wonder if he can win a decision against Valuev, even if he does outbox him?

You know, I never hated or liked Haye but all this crap is really getting on my nerves. I agree that he realized there was a good chance he would lose against Vitali and decided to go an easier route to get a title. Do I blame him? Not really. but when he's been talking as much shit as he has, you'd expect him to follow thru.

This is good and bad news for Arreola. The good news is he has a chance to fight Vitali. The bad new is he has a chance to fight Vitali.

I told his trainer Henry I think they'd be better off fighting Wlad but he feels Vitali is still a very winnable fight. It will be good no matter what and a big fight and payday for Chris.

I think Arreola could have done with at least one step up fight before this, this may be too much too soon for him, i don't like his chances against Vitali, against Wlad he could have had a chance of blasting him out early, against Vitali it's probably going to go the distance, can anyone see Arreola being able to compete for 12 rounds?




I agree but the trash talking was the thing that sold the majority of the tickets, it was media hype, he didn't know Setanta were going to pull the rug out from under him last minute, he got stung that time mainly due to the shitty contract, he's probably more weary now and a belt is a way to defend himself against it happening again. I hear what you're saying though, the trash talking is annoying though I'd prefer him to be a little more refined.

I think Haye would be heavy favourite against Valuev, I think he could stop him actually, probably not KO him but force the ref into a technical steppage after valuev is just taking constant punishment and can no longer defend himself.

Edit: Just saw David Haye's latest update on twitter from 2 hours ago:

All of Brewster's fights were damn entertaining. Ever get a chance to see Brewster-Krasniqi? That shit was nuts!!! The best part was when he knocked Krasniqi down, the ref counts to 9....and then...stops counting. The round ended quickly after that and Lamon walks back to his corner and says to McGirt, "Did you see that shit?" and Buddy tells him to finish him the next round. Luckily Krasniqi didn't recover and Lamon blasted him in the next round.

In fact, you're right. The only times I have been enjoying the division recently has been the sideshow aspect of it.

That crazy ass Danny Williams fight against Konstantin Airich where every possible way to make Airich the winner happened, including his promoter ringing the bell halfway through a round his fighter was getting bludgeoned in only for Williams to win the fight magically.

And then the cab driver Martin Rogan knocking off Harrison and Skelton one after the other in some fun fights only to lose to some guy I have never heard of. And the only reason he lost to that guy is because he gave the guy a break when he was hurt so he could put his mouthpiece back in.

Haye should be able to do the fight that Holyfield did and win a decision. If he can't then he is more hype than Terry Conklin.....

Eh...

at least it's interesting.

Valuev has literally 100 lbs on Dave.

Good stick, comes forward, solid chin, he's massive...


The difference in speed and athleticism is huge. I agree with Cliff that Haye will have to work for the W.

If I were in his corner, I'd have him focus on the Giant's body. I know it hasn't been exposed yet, but I see a weak spot there. Have him whack away to both sides in the clinch, where the ogre is pretty helpless.

This has made me think that the bad back was a load of bull. Probably by then he had already figured out that he signed a bad deal. For all his talking he knew that he would probably lose, and end up with nothing, This way when he finally meets wladimir he will still lose, and lose badly, but end up with a lot more cash to retire with.

I totally agree with you. The Klitschko's are worse than Lennox Lewis was regarding the arrogant sense of entitlement they have about the titles. Why should Haye have to fight one Klit, then if he wins, has to rematch, then if he wins that be forced to fight the other Klitschko? All in a row as well. Those assholes need to realize that there is no tag team title in boxing. It's their own self importance that is keeping the division from being unified (although I think Vitali is more to blame than Wladdy on that; I think Wlad wouldn't blink twice at the chance to fight his brother and knock the piss out of him. As a fellow little brother, I can relate).

Say what you want about Haye, but this is a much smarter move. Instead of being a slave to the Klit's, if he can beat Valuev, he gets a belt, and can even grow more accustomed to the weight kayoing John Ruiz and Kali Meehan in the interim while Wlad fights his mandatorys (Povetkin and Chambers), and Vitali can fight Chris Arreola. If the right guys win these fights, we could actually end up with a heavyweight division we care about following.

GO HAYE! (W 12 Valuev; KO 4 Ruiz; KO 1 Meehan)
GO WLAD! (TKO 11 Povetkin; W 12 Chambers)
GO CHRIS! (TKO 8 Vitali)

First: You are right, there is not much honor in that contract.

Second: Why should Haye care? If he wins agains the first Klit (which he and lots of people around here seemed sooo sure) the fight against the second one is a no-brainer, a SUPER-FIGHT and the most money Haye could ever make.

Third: Valuev is handled by Sauerland and Don King - I don't know bout you, but I don't see those guys making a contract without any further rights on Haye.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'm sure that Sauerland might even be sacrifiying Valuev in search for a new good HW they can promote.

All together I think Cliff really made the right point: Haye knew he had only a small chance against Vitali and knew when he got knocked out there would be no big HW fight for quite some time.

Btw. Haye will beat Valuev pretty easy.

Smart move by Haye. This is a belt the Klits can't get their hands on, so once Haye secures it they will have to fight him on more sensible terms. Lots of people calling Haye a pussy, but this is a logical move and he has plenty of time to back up his talk. David v Goliath will attract huge media attention and make Haye v a Klit very big business. I also like the fact that this is a much more winnable fight for Haye and it will be good experience given his inactivity.

As for King having options on Haye, well Mormeck was a King fighter and that didn't involve options, so no reason to think he will have any here either. This is probably a one-off and will generate a nice profit for all involved. Valuev is near the end of his career anyway and probably sees this as an opportunity to cash out.

There is an alternative scenario....

Up 'til now Haye has been seen as the "good guy" in his quest to fight the Klitschko's and with all the publicity he was attracting to the fights the Klitschko's pretty much had to fight him. Either one, but one of them had to.

Now he's very publically backed out of two fights with them. One was forgivable, but two leaves a sour taste.

Assuming he beats Valuev at the end of the year, are we sure he will land a fight with a Klitschko next year? Will he really have more leverage with a belt?

After pulling out of these fights I'm not sure as many people will jump on either Klitschko's back if they were to say "look, we gave him every chance to fight us, he stuffed us around and pulled out TWICE, now why should we believe him that he wants to fight now? How do we know he won't pull out again?"

A few other hurdles could be that Vitai may retire before Haye gets another shot at him, leaving only one Klitschko available who as I said, may well tell Haye to f##k off. Also, there's no guarantee that he beats Valuev. A guy that big is hard to put down and if he catches you, he could end it pretty quickly, especially if Haye's chin is as weak as some suspect.

Just some thoughts which may or may not play out, but it shows that Haye's move here was not necessarily the smartest move.

What the hell? Haye did all this t-shirt stuff with Klit bros and now he's fighting Valuev?

Can't disagree with that. Yes it might backfire, but I don't think so. If Haye beats Valuev in style and annexes the WBA title, there will be too much demand for the Klits to ignore. HBO will want it, the public will want it, Klits fans will want it. There will be no hiding place and there aren't really any lucrative alternatives either.

Haye backing out isn't as bad as it appears. For all we know, he may have been genuinely injured and unable to fight Wlad. Wlad wasn't prepared to wait around and fought Chagaev. Can't really blame either one for that situation, it's just one of those things... The fight against Vitali was never signed in the first place, so not sure how you can back out of a fight that wasn't signed. It seems to me the Klits overplayed their hand and din't bank on Haye having an alternative. He called their bluff and I don't blame him given the fact the contract to fight Vitali was probably even less attractive than the shitty deal Haye signed to fight Wlad (plus 2 x Klit rematches) without a guaranteed purse.

Haye losing is also a distinct possibility. If he can't beat the yeti, then he has no hope against Vitali anyway.

November is ages away. Haye should fight someone (anyone) in the interim to keep busy.

LMAO, oh this is great.

I knew Haye was a bitch, but damn, this really confirms he's a pussy. Talking all that shit, making those stupid t-shirts, and backing out of both fight? What a fucking tool.

War Chewbacca!

@ these comments.

Fights fall apart because of contract negotiations all the time. The more ridiculous the demands, the more likely that your opponent is going to scoff and tell you to fuck off. That's what Haye has decided to do. He can pick up a strap here and defend it as if the Klitschko's don't exist or use it as leverage in any future negotiations.

If I were Haye I'd get on TV and highlight that ridiculous contract and expose what the brothers were trying to do. Or at the very least release a copy of it to the press.

Just sent him a tweet and told him good luck but not interested in this fight at all. I am sure the contract was a bitch but the Klits are the belt holders so if you want the title you need to take some bad medicine. I wish boxers today knew the history of the sport. Look what Joe Louis did to get the title from Braddock (10% for all future fights).

I totally agree. Haye is no Evander even though he wants to market himself like some savior. I really, really hope Yeti is 2 to 1 dog because I think he takes this and will be funny as hell. Is he going to wear a t-shirt now showing himself shaving Valuev back or some shit with sickle?





Come on man, I know you love Haye but damn, if he was just going to talk trash and then run away from every fight and being the "savior" of heavyweight boxing why bother with it? Thank god Manny Pac didn't do anything like this or we would an effigy of him burning on every sig. Anyways, when they Yeti's destroys Haye in 7 we will be done with this nonsense.

Expose what? That they were the champs and get to make the rules and not some ass who prints up a bunch of t-shirts and talks trash?

i dunno.

i remember reading/hearing about how crazy klit contracts can be with their stipulations...

I would be interested in seeing the Klit Kontracts

then Haye should release it-- SHOW us how ridiculous it is.