this would be an absolute war.....i'd pick duran by 11th rd tko...

Are you trying to make Eggs head explode?

Lol. Before his last two fights this was done several times as a joke. Now its for realz yo.

Not good for Manny P.

Your hatred for Manny Pacquiao makes me sick. Give the guy some credit for once. He`s earned it.

Durandslide.

Doesn't change anything. Duran beats him by mid to late rounds KO or TKO

I agree that it doesn't change anything. Duran KO6.

Why? Because of all those monstrous HOFers that Duran stopped at 135?

I dont see why it wouldnt be a good fight. Duran is Duran but Pacquiao is the kind of lefthander that you cant really prepare for. All the sparring in the world with Zab Judah isnt going to get you ready for Pacquiao.

At the very least I think Duran would be thrown off in the earlier rounds by Pacs speed and shortpunching. Almost as if he was looking in the mirror. Manny Pacquiao doesnt quite have Duran`s head movement but his feet might be quicker in and out side to side.

Id still take Duran if I had to bet my last $100 but it would be interesting.

Duran at the end of his lightweight run was more techincal and blended defense with his aggressive style as good as anyone who has ever done it. Manny is a better athlete, has quicker hands and feet but he doesn't quite seem natural with his blended style yet.

I think Duran towards the end of his lightweight run could do everything that JMM does only better and with more power.

I don't think they are really the same fighter but if your contention is that Duran was better than JMM, I agree with you captain obvious.

since we can't compare era's
I can say Duran was
probably slightly better than Hatton
so
Roberto
would probably see
the end of the second round

Duran stops him late.

Everyone's so sure that Duran KOs Pac. How much difference in boxing ability would exist between two great boxers? I mean, can we be sure Robinson KOs Hagler every time because Robinson is generally regarded as the greatest ever? I think it just means that SRR has better chance at winning, not that he wins 100% of the time.

Between Duran and Pac, I think some gap exists in terms of technique. To me, Pac still seems a bit awkward with his balance and while his technique has improved and is quite good, it's clearly far from the best of this era, let alone all time. His other attributes, however, makes up for those deficiencies. His speed(foot, hand and head/body movements), power and being lefty makes him what he is. It would be interesting to find out how Duran would've handled this kind of puzzle.

Style-wise, this fight could end up in brutal KO because both guys are offensive-minded and can punch. The first one to hurt the other could certainly finish off the other. However, I don't think it would be impossible to hear the final bell. More so if the fight was a 12 round bout. If the fight was a 15 rounder, I think it suits better to Duran, but Manny is also very tough so I wouldn't write him off completely.

I give it to Duran as well, but I wouldn't say he demolishes Pac every time they meet. In general, dominant UD for Roberto, maybe 8-4 or 9-3 type.

Robinson never ko's Hagler and I stopped reading there.

Never said he would BTW.

It would only be fair to give Duran, an established Lightweight champion, the benefit of any doubt you might have against a man who had one fight there in his entire career.

Of course, great fighters can make great things happen. Duran himself hardly fought at all at Welter, but he showed himself good enough to beat Leonard, an established 147lb. champ. However, for mine, it's a good, bigger man, against a somewhat lesser, smaller man, in the former's preferred weightclass. Duran wins.

Can't really dispute against you. I have it for Duran by a comfortable margin. KO is very much possible.

Don't think for a minute a man who knocked out Gene Fullmer with a single punch, & who stopped Jake LaMotta, is incapable of getting Marvin Hagler inside the distance.

It could happen.

BTW, I think Hagler himself has a chance at beating Robinson. You just never know.

Duran was at Welter for a pretty lengthy period before the Leonard fight.






I would bet on Hagler against Robinson with confidence.

Damn, that's one sick matchup that I've never given thought to. I generally regard Hagler as the greatest middle of all time and I'd probably pick him here, but if there was EVER a middle (besides Hearns) that I'd pick to be able to find a way to hurt Marvelous it'd be the GOAT. He mixes it up too much for a tank like Hagler, and his size might be a disadvantage during his peak years, but part of me can see Hagler frustrated by Ray's speed and struggling to figure out whether to box or put on the pressure. Keep this one on the list of stuff to sim at some point. I'd be very very interested.

In the context of his career, Duran did not spend very long at Welter --- &, obviously, he was new to the weight when he got the better of Leonard, a fighter well-accustomed to it.

He had already manhandled Carlos Palomino, who wasn't Leonard's equal but certainly was a measuring stick for Welterweight.

Obviously he didn't fight the majority of his career at 47, just pointing out that he didn't jump right into a Leonard fight. He campaigned there for about 2 years.

hahaha .. hadn't seen this earlier, or if i did, i didn't get it (until reading through more of the mm forum)

Fullmer was tough, he was no Hagler in any capacity though. He had to hit a drained Lamotta with a lot of shots before he took him out. Robinson getting stopped by Hagler is more likely than the reverse and I'd bet on neither.

Hagler would take Robinson's best punch and smile, that much i am positive of.

How far ahead of Fullmer's chin would you say Hagler's is? Miles? Leagues?

How much more could Hagler take than LaMotta, in raw punishment? Whole rounds more?

I think we all agree it's a terrific battle, & I do concur odds are neither man gets stopped, but I think Robinson could stop Hagler. If Hagler finds himself in the position LaMotta did when he was TKO'd, he won't be smiling for weeks. The only thing etched on his face would be one hell fo a grimace.

Great fight. Not sure who I'd favour.

I think hagler's chin was the greatest in the history of the sport. I wouldn't call it miles ahead of certified bad asses like Fullmer & lamotta but he was much more athletic and harder to catch than those guys. The odds of Robinson hitting hagler 975 times like he did laMotta are minimal at best.

Guys, don't you think this discussion belongs to a different thread? Here, I'm doing you a favor.
http://forums.maxboxing.com/index.php?showtopic=26276

You're talking about one of the greatest lightweights of all time with a ridiculous KO % at LW facing a smaller guy who isn't known for his defense. Yes, Pacquiao is fast, but Duran is no David Diaz or Ricky Hatton. It would be a great fight, but Duran would stop him.

135? Duran stops him.

Keep in mind we only got one fight at 135 for Pacquiao to compare to an entire body of work for Duran. If Pac had rattled off some wins there against Casamayor, JMM and Juan Diaz, maybe Nate Campbell you'd at least have a few things to compare.

It dosent matter. Duran destroys Pac at any weight. Duran is just better in pretty much every aspect and will walk through whatever pac throws at him and bruatlize him.