Had Oscar instead of Mosley fought Margarito instead of Pacquaio. Nazim training.

Oscar would've died in the ring.

Funny and true!

I think he might have just taken a knee after a body punch and not gotten up right around the 3rd or 4th...

Yeah Margarito would have crushed him at this stage, a prime vs prime matchup would be real interesting though, any thoughts on that? I might take Oscar, cant think about this fight without the Vargas bout sneaking into my thoughts

In their primes Oscar pretty easily TKO 10. Marg is nothing more than Ricardo Mayorga lite. He is way to easy to hit and way to slow.

you trippin Mayo is no Marg. Marg would tear Oscars body up. It would not matter is DLH was in his prime or not. He may be easy to hit but he he takes one to give two. DLH can not deal with Marg and his pressure, volume, body punches and uppercutts. Also Marg has a solid chin so DLH cant stop him with one shot.

Do you think Mosley went easy on Oscar (as a friend of mine does)? Because Oscar went two heated distances with fresher, younger Mosleys and Margarito was flummoxed by an older Shane, and that has to count for something despite styles making fights.

No but Shane had a plan and a real HOF trainer. In essence, he was a much better version of himself.

Had Oscar fought that machine from the Margarito fight, he would've been in a lot of trouble.

Ah, but notice I made the criteria for this MM with Nazim training Oscar.

maybe this wouldve turned something like delahoya-campas....with margarito walkin and takin shots.....or it turns into margarito cotto...with oscar boxing and margarito pressurin.....id take margarito to win

Mosley is a bad matchup of Marg. Marg was also shaken up by the glove thing. It was a horrible night for Marg. If a rematch ever happens it would be closer. I still think that Mosley wins. No Mosley did not take it easy on Dlh. Why would he?

At 147, Mosley never had hitting power in De La Hoya's class (circa late-90's) &, at nearly forty, he pummeled Margarito. It was embarressing. I believe the De La Hoya who fought Pacquiao was too lacklustre to have survived Margarito, but the peak De La Hoya makes a mockery of Margarito.

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You do know Oscar is bigger than Cotto and better right. Oscar hit harder with a single shot than both Cotto and Mosely. In Oscars prime he destroys Marg. Marg is not in the same league of fighter with a DLH or Mosely. Oscar has a good chin as well. Marg will look similar to the Mosely fight. Following DLH around getting hit with everything Oscar threw. Actually Mayorga has accomplished much more in boxing (and made a shitload more money) than Marg has ever and Mayorga didnt get caught fighting with loaded gloves.

sure oscar hit harder shot for shot....if he were fighting like a old chavez or all those faded past their primes guys he made his career with....against real competition not so much.....

Mayorga accomplished much more than Margarito? LOL

mayorga was the undisputed, linear WW champ. What has Marg accomplished better than that.

margarito beat randall, sergio martinez,antonio diaz, danny perez (2 times), andrew lewis,lujan, manuel gomez, cintron (2 times), clottey, cotto, and golden johnson....3 time titlist with 7 defenses of the wbo title and 1 with the ibf...unified 2 thirds with cotto

mayorga beat lewis, vernon forrest twice, vargas and piccirilo...he also unified 2/3 titles with forrest..also won a 154 lbs title..lost to spinks, trinidad, de la hoya and mosley....

mayorga might have made more money and been in bigger fights but as far as records and accomplishments i'll go with margarito.....mayorga was in all those fights only cuz he was a punching bag and was viewed as easy to beat by top tier guys like mosley trinidad and delahoya...

There's a hell of an asterisk, though, next to Margarito's victories Mayorga doesn't have to carry, on account of the gloves.

People will make up their own minds, of course, but I doubt all of Margarito's fights as a result of what happened recently, or at least his fights of more recent times, &, yes, that includes his career-defining win against Cotto, which I will forever suspect was not on the level.

Margarito sucks.

What signs in the first fight make you think a rematch of Mosley and Margarito wold be closer ? If you are talking about Tony getting Ko`ed in the same round as the first fight, I understand.

Margarito wears down DLH and ko's him in round 9th if this fight took place in January 09. prime vs prime i think dlh wins a UD. sure he outboxes margarito and at times makes him look foolish and his HBO cheerleading squad compare him to srl duing the fight. but no way does he ko margarito or manages to discourage him from applying pressure.
7-5 for dlh, based on good boxing, lack of killer instinct and great shoe shining fluries from dlh.

An old Mosley absolutely caved him in, barely dropping a round. The De La Hoya of the late-90's & early 00's isn't conceding five rounds to Margarito. It'd be easy money for De La Hoya, who'd pick him off all night. 10-2, 118-110. Margarito'd never have found him with any consistency.

However, in January of this year, Margarito probably wins --- though each were appalling in their most recent outings.

Mosley never punched in Oscar's class? Really? I'll just say...............WRONG. Shane was a two fisted puncher with a much bigger arsenal than DelaHoya. The power advantage goes to Shane, definitively.

Agree with this.

But not with the sim though. It was hardly the showcase fight when it ran so I didn't delve too deeply, but Marg never comes near beating a prime Oscar. DLH would have made him look awful.

I'd take Oscar 8-4 with an inevitable late round fade.

You obviously didn't read the start. It's the Oscar that fought manny.

Yeah, this is an older one. I was responding to Sly.





Margarito kills him.

Margarito wins if tehy fought now

Oscar wins if they fought in 2000

I think 2006 Oscar beats him too. The Roach trained DLH that fought PBF at 54. Of course Marg would have to do without the loaded fists.

Margarito was Oscar's sparring partner in preparation for Vargas in 2002. I wonder how those sessions went down.

Oscar in his prime at 147 still had serious power and speed. I don't see him any inferior to Shane at 147 in their respective prime. Marg was pretty much in his prime when he fought Shane. I'd take Oscar by a UD or even a KO a la Vargas fight.

BTW, the Oscar that fought Manny would lose to any top welterweights, but I think he still could beat many welterweights. He had 3 rounds in him, I think, to try and beat his opponent that night.

I think of Oscar in 2006 basically whupping Mayorga with ease, and Shane having trouble a couple years later. Then Shane takes care of Margarito the way I expected him to do with Mayorga. It's not too far off to think Oscar of '06 clobbers early '09 Margarito, is it?

Assuming Brother Nazim removes the plaster.

'99 DLH would fuck up any version of Margarito.



At 147, I think Oscar was the better puncher. Shane did have a more varied arsenal, though.

Marg could keep the plaster. He has no shot at beating Oscar at any point in his career. Oscar's bones from the Pac fight is the only one Tony beats.

Oscar that fought Manny, weight drained and weak, would've lost the fight to any decent fighters. However, I think the accumulation of so many power shots from Manny TKOd him. Manny hit Oscar flush on the face numerous times and even if Oscar was weakened and slowed by weight loss, I'm not sure if there are many others who could've done the same to him. If someone with less offensive ability fought Oscar, maybe Oscar might have been able to survive and made it to the final bell.

BTW, if he was not to fight Pac, would Oscar have overtrained and got weakend like that? If he was, let's say, to fight Margarito that night, wouldn't his preparation have been better and he would've been in better shape?

Have to say, Mosley was never as devastating a puncher as was De La Hoya. Shouldn't even be debatable --- & Mosley really busted some guys up, especially at Lightweight, but in no way was he as formidable a striker of an opponent as was De La Hoya between 135-140lbs.

I agree at 135 and 140, but that changed at 147. Oscar went from blowing guys into next week to picking them apart. Not that that matters here. He stops Marg too.

I don't know if Oscar hurts Margarito. I'd say Oscar by decision as long as he doens't give him too much respect like he did Tito.

Oscar anhilates Marg. His left hook will not miss all night long and it will do serious damage. This is a replay of the Oscar-Mayorga fight

I'd say Shane hit harder at 147. Never saw DLH generate the type of hitting power Shane has at welter.

?? Sounds far fetched.

This, prime/prime at 147 Oscar wins almost every round and stops him on his stool in the 11 or so. The DLH that fought Pac? Not pretty for him but still I don't think he gets beat half to death. Speed kills, It might have been a good fight but it would have been fought at like 152 or so and it would have made a big difference.

I gotta agree here. Oscar doesn't get hit nearly as much by Tony and he's able to hit him back more effectively.

In his prime, Oscar wins a 116-112 type of decision.

This. Oscar never lost to another Mexican or Mexican-American. Never really came close. Margarito wasn't gonna' be the one to do it.