Dobie Gillis
Sep 4 2009, 07:55 AM
QUOTE(leee @ Sep 4 2009, 08:19 AM)

Arizona looks horrible and Warner really looks bad. Christ, I'm not ready for another 10 year losing streak.
Cromartie is one of the worst CB's ever.
beastmode78
Sep 4 2009, 08:04 AM
QUOTE(BANNY THE ANGRY @ Sep 4 2009, 07:55 AM)

Cromartie is one of the worst CB's ever.
Watch the Saints CB's last year
Matt Leinart looks so horrible I think he mailed it in
Atleast he got that contract
Leee
Sep 4 2009, 08:29 AM
QUOTE(BANNY THE ANGRY @ Sep 4 2009, 08:55 AM)

Cromartie is one of the worst CB's ever.
Well Rolle was worse but he does much better at Free Safety. Ralph Brown could always step in. We will see what happens.
Actually Leinart looked like crap yesterday but he had a really good pre-season. I'm not sure what it is but maybe the fact that out side of Fitz you had Urban, Lance Long and Morey as the other rcvrs and Breaston was in his 1st pre-season game. I've seen the cards look good in Pre-season and then suck total ass so I'll try not to get to worked up.
Anytime Hester
Sep 4 2009, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(BigFiasco @ Sep 4 2009, 08:54 AM)

I made a substantial bet with a friend that the bears will finish with a better record than the pack. anyone wanna back me up on this?
everyone is now on the fudge packers wagon due to the preseason. I am still not sold on their defense, switching to the 3-4. Rodgers health is another question mark. the bears defense should be MUCH Improved this season.
BigBENisGod
Sep 4 2009, 01:35 PM
QUOTE(Integrital @ Sep 3 2009, 09:14 PM)

We'll most likely lose a few close, tough ones early in the season and struggle to stay afloat for the rest. But we DO have a very good squad that could win and do well. But that's also every season.
Maybe use LT in more of a utility role. Catching more passes out of the slot rather than running him inside nad racking up those miles on him. They need him to have something left in the tank if they make the playoffs again. Rivers is the goods if you give him time.
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 08:45 AM
The Patriots trade Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round pick in the 2011 draft.
good move imo, the pats really know how to add value to their team in the draft and in fa.
KingofCrunk
Sep 6 2009, 08:48 AM
We can't draft worth a crap so I also like it.
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 09:01 AM
He's not worth a 1st pick, the Raiders are just a joke.They trade Moss for a 4th rounder to NE, and they trade an early first round pick (or possibly 1st overall) for a 30 year old DE with knee problems.Belichik just popped a bottle of champagne and ordered 4 hookers.
Leee
Sep 6 2009, 09:21 AM
Well the Pats are just quietly going young and rebuilding the D in a smart way
holeymoley99
Sep 6 2009, 09:25 AM
Short term this hurts the Patsies because their D just took a HUGE hit, a 2010 1st rounder would have been a much better get as Oakland probably wont turn it around this year but by next they should be middle of the pack if McFadden and Bey develop. With NE being so close to the top right now not a risk I would have taken if I were them. As a COLTS fan this made my day.
Anytime Hester
Sep 6 2009, 09:27 AM
belicheck swindled choakland
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 09:40 AM
I'm with Holey in that I think New England might come out on the short end of this deal. Assuming that they get a top ten pick from the Raiders in 2011, he'll still take a year or two to make an impact. Patriots may be trying to get young, but they still don't have that much time on their hands.
King of KO
Sep 6 2009, 09:53 AM
I like the move as a Raider fan and expect him to help our D. That being said the guy is still only 29 and on his last year of his contract. He will work hard this year to show that he is still worth the money. Anything to help stop the run will be good.
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 09:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqaWDvG66IA cool play to win the last game of the preseason for the Cowboys. Jesse Holley scores the touchdown off a weird punt return. He was cut yesterday, but not a bad play to go out on.
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 10:26 AM
Shawn Merriman apparently arrested for a domestic disturbance with his girlfriend Tila Tequila. Not good.
BaldBull
Sep 6 2009, 10:28 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-imprisonment/Apparently Merriman smacked around Tila Tequila.
Lights out Shawn
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 10:30 AM
QUOTE(BaldBull @ Sep 6 2009, 01:28 PM)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-imprisonment/Apparently Merriman smacked around Tila Tequila.
Lights out Shawn

That gif of Orton is awesome.
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 10:35 AM
What a dumbass, I don't know what happened but you're bound to get into some shit when you mess around with semi-retarded reality TV stars.
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 10:37 AM
QUOTE(Mos Stef @ Sep 6 2009, 01:35 PM)

What a dumbass, I don't know what happened but you're bound to get into some shit when you mess around with semi-retarded reality TV stars.
That's putting it nicely. She full-blown retard.
Integrital
Sep 6 2009, 10:38 AM
I'm not all that upset about Merriman possibly choking that annoying hoodrat, but if he really did, he's dumb as shit.
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 10:38 AM
I can already hear the people say 'that's what roids make you do hehe'
Clubber Lang
Sep 6 2009, 10:38 AM
Raiders got the better end of this deal. 2011 draft pick? Ha!
Love him or hate him, you gotta respect Al Davis' will to win. Most owners are simply in it for the money, but Al craves winning so badly it's fun to watch. He's a big believer in the "Take what you want" theory, and he isn't afraid to make bold moves like these (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott). Seriously, how could you NOT like the Raiders and their F#*&* the world/media attitude? These are desperate times for the Raiders and he had to do something to bolster that run defense. By the way, how's Crabtree doing? I don't care what anybody says, old man Al still got it.
sadbuttrue
Sep 6 2009, 10:40 AM
We'll see how Goodell handles this, considering this is a strike 2 situation for Merriman.
She's gotta put something about it on Myspace right?
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 10:42 AM
they both prolly twittered (?) about it, while it happened.
Chaser
Sep 6 2009, 10:46 AM
I love the NFL police blotter.
Dobie Gillis
Sep 6 2009, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(Clubber Lang @ Sep 6 2009, 11:38 AM)

Raiders got the better end of this deal. 2011 draft pick? Ha!
Love him or hate him, you gotta respect Al Davis' will to win. Most owners are simply in it for the money, but Al craves winning so badly it's fun to watch. He's a big believer in the "Take what you want" theory, and he isn't afraid to make bold moves like these (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott). Seriously, how could you NOT like the Raiders and their F#*&* the world/media attitude? These are desperate times for the Raiders and he had to do something to bolster that run defense. By the way, how's Crabtree doing? I don't care what anybody says, old man Al still got it.
Al Davis sucks. His fuck the world attitude took the Raiders from "Just win baby" to "Just win please." Dude is more in the 70's than Eddie Murphy and Steve Harvey's mustache.
Mos Stef
Sep 6 2009, 11:56 PM
Raiders fans are even more delusional than crazy Al. How can you say that trading an aging DE who's in his last year of his contract (which means they prolly have to put a franchise tag on him next year) for a probable Top 3 draft pick is a great move?
The Raiders are hardly a good DE away from a playoff season, and should be more worried about rebuilding that mess instead of bringing older big name guys in.That has never worked, just look at Dallas.
The Patriots have very good depth at almost every position, and they are going to line up in the 4-3 more this year. I don't think Seymour's departure will make such a negative impact on their D as many think.
sadbuttrue
Sep 7 2009, 12:08 AM
Raiders aren't finishing as the 3rd worst team for the 2011 draft. They'll be around 10. Pats get hurt more than Raiders gain in this move for the short term.
Mos Stef
Sep 7 2009, 12:24 AM
QUOTE(sadbuttrue @ Sep 7 2009, 10:08 AM)

Raiders aren't finishing as the 3rd worst team for the 2011 draft. They'll be around 10. Pats get hurt more than Raiders gain in this move for the short term.
Of course, that's because they don't have anything and the Raiders don't give anything up untill 2011. You don't need a rocket scientist to figure that out. But then it'll be a completely different story.
They'll probably trade down and get a mid to late round 1st and a 2nd rd pick for the Raiders 1st. They've done that all too often and got very good value out of it because they have a great front office. That's the way to build a great franchise with longevity. Even though I know the NFL is a business where the short-term success is very important you have to find the ideal compromise, and that's what teams like the Patriots, Steelers or the Ravens do. Teams like Dallas and the Raiders have shown that it doesn't work out if you sacrifice too much for the prospect of short-term success.
It's the same in economics, where the past year has told us that going for that 25 % return isn't going to pan out in the long-term. It's just an unhealthy way to keep house.
sadbuttrue
Sep 7 2009, 09:37 AM
QUOTE(Mos Stef @ Sep 7 2009, 03:24 AM)

Of course, that's because they don't have anything and the Raiders don't give anything up untill 2011. You don't need a rocket scientist to figure that out. But then it'll be a completely different story.
They'll probably trade down and get a mid to late round 1st and a 2nd rd pick for the Raiders 1st. They've done that all too often and got very good value out of it because they have a great front office. That's the way to build a great franchise with longevity. Even though I know the NFL is a business where the short-term success is very important you have to find the ideal compromise, and that's what teams like the Patriots, Steelers or the Ravens do. Teams like Dallas and the Raiders have shown that it doesn't work out if you sacrifice too much for the prospect of short-term success.
It's the same in economics, where the past year has told us that going for that 25 % return isn't going to pan out in the long-term. It's just an unhealthy way to keep house.
Problem is, Pats almost went undefeated a couple years ago. They are in their prime for title contention, and at what could be the tail end of their dynasty. Dallas has been vastly underachieving recently, but in the 90's they went out and got players for the short term and came out with 3 titles. If I'm the Pats, I don't give up an impact player on defense right now for someone who
may make an impact later. The Pats are subject to the occasional bust and can't draft a hall of famer every year.
Clubber Lang
Sep 7 2009, 10:43 AM
QUOTE(Mos Stef @ Sep 7 2009, 12:24 AM)

Teams like Dallas and the Raiders have shown that it doesn't work out if you sacrifice too much for the prospect of short-term success.
It's the same in economics, where the past year has told us that going for that 25 % return isn't going to pan out in the long-term. It's just an unhealthy way to keep house.
Please, do not pretend that you know more about running an NFL franchise then Al Davis and Jerry Jones.
PWillIsGod
Sep 7 2009, 10:58 AM
Al is senile, The Pats basically swapped Seymour for Burgess and picked up a high #1 pick while ditching a low later draft choice. The Pats won this swap in a huge way. They wouldn't have signed Seymour next year anyway.
BaldBull
Sep 7 2009, 11:19 AM
QUOTE(PWillIsGod @ Sep 7 2009, 10:58 AM)

Al is senile, The Pats basically swapped Seymour for Burgess and picked up a high #1 pick while ditching a low later draft choice. The Pats won this swap in a huge way. They wouldn't have signed Seymour next year anyway.
I'm getting really tired of the Pats organization being 2.5 steps ahead of the rest of the league. They basically take Seymour a guy they wouldn't sign next year, anyway, and parlay that into what will likely be a top 5 draft pick in the first draft (2011) with a rookie salary cap. They are raping and saving money at the same time. As much as I hate that organization, you have to respect how well Belecheat and co. do business.
Although it's always fun to see the Oakland organization set back another 2 years
Mos Stef
Sep 7 2009, 11:50 AM
QUOTE(Clubber Lang @ Sep 7 2009, 08:43 PM)

Please, do not pretend that you know more about running an NFL franchise then Al Davis and Jerry Jones.
No I don't, but we don't know more about running a country than the president and yet we criticize him all year long. And it's a lot easier for a nutcase to become an owner of a sports franchise than to become the president, even though George W. managed to become both.
QUOTE(sadbuttrue @ Sep 7 2009, 07:37 PM)

Problem is, Pats almost went undefeated a couple years ago. They are in their prime for title contention, and at what could be the tail end of their dynasty. Dallas has been vastly underachieving recently, but in the 90's they went out and got players for the short term and came out with 3 titles. If I'm the Pats, I don't give up an impact player on defense right now for someone who may make an impact later. The Pats are subject to the occasional bust and can't draft a hall of famer every year.
Fair enough, but to me this was another smart move by the Pats.
sadbuttrue
Sep 7 2009, 03:34 PM
QUOTE(Mos Stef @ Sep 7 2009, 02:50 PM)

Fair enough, but to me this was another smart move by the Pats.
They've had their fair share, that's for damn sure.
Quagmire
Sep 8 2009, 04:53 AM
Seymour has not reported to the Raiders yet.
beastmode78
Sep 8 2009, 04:57 AM
QUOTE(PWillIsGod @ Sep 7 2009, 10:58 AM)

Al is senile, The Pats basically swapped Seymour for Burgess and picked up a high #1 pick while ditching a low later draft choice. The Pats won this swap in a huge way. They wouldn't have signed Seymour next year anyway.
That why it's a great move for them Belechick has been doing this ever since he got the NE job and it's worked out fine for him in the past
The Raiders
Mos Stef
Sep 8 2009, 05:07 AM
beastmode78
Sep 8 2009, 11:35 AM
The fact that Seymour has yet to go to Oakland he is still a no show makes this even more funny for the Raiders if he doesn't show they still loose that draft pick?
woopinstick
Sep 8 2009, 11:45 AM
I like this quote someone said on another forum:
"The next bargaining agreement should forbid the Patriots from trading with the Raiders."
beastmode78
Sep 8 2009, 11:47 AM
QUOTE(woopinstick @ Sep 8 2009, 11:45 AM)

I like this quote someone said on another forum:
"The next bargaining agreement should forbid the Patriots from trading with the Raiders."
for real
4th round pick for Randy Moss
and to get 1st round pick for a 30 year old DE is highway robbery you can't even do that shit in Madden
Quagmire
Sep 8 2009, 11:47 AM
QUOTE(beastmode78 @ Sep 8 2009, 01:35 PM)

The fact that Seymour has yet to go to Oakland he is still a no show makes this even more funny for the Raiders if he doesn't show they still loose that draft pick?
I don't know all the particulars of the rules but I read earlier today that there is a period of time that teams can back out from a trade because of certain issues. I am guessing that a no show player would be one of them. The trade has already been made official by the league so everything is up to the Raiders and Seymour now. Maybe they will have to give him a new contract to make him show up.
beastmode78
Sep 8 2009, 11:53 AM
QUOTE(Quagmire @ Sep 8 2009, 11:47 AM)

I don't know all the particulars of the rules but I read earlier today that there is a period of time that teams can back out from a trade because of certain issues. I am guessing that a no show player would be one of them. The trade has already been made official by the league so everything is up to the Raiders and Seymour now. Maybe they will have to give him a new contract to make him show up.
The Raiders to overpay for someone I can't see it
BigFiasco
Sep 8 2009, 12:24 PM
Im suprised this many people give a f about the raiders
BigBENisGod
Sep 9 2009, 10:42 AM

Its happening again this year.
Mos Stef
Sep 9 2009, 11:21 AM
Man I can't freakin wait, I got my money on the Titans tomorrow!
WAAAR FOOTBALL!!!
sadbuttrue
Sep 9 2009, 11:50 AM
Apparently, Quinn beat out Anderson for the starting job in Cleveland. Nothing official though cause Mangini's acting like an asshole.
BigBENisGod
Sep 9 2009, 12:21 PM
QUOTE(Mos Stef @ Sep 9 2009, 12:21 PM)

Man I can't freakin wait, I got my money on the Titans tomorrow!
WAAAR FOOTBALL!!!
What are the Titans getting?
4thafans
Sep 9 2009, 12:44 PM
QUOTE(ExplosveThinMan @ Sep 9 2009, 11:42 AM)


Its happening again this year.

good post.
The raiders are the most pathetic franchise in the world
Quagmire
Sep 9 2009, 12:50 PM
How quickly things change. Brandon Marshal has been practicing all week with the Broncos and reports are now coming out that the Broncos and Marshal are talking about a possible contract extension.
It sounds like the Seymour trade can still be voided if he keeps refusing to report to the Raiders. He hasn't taken a physical yet with the Raiders so that could be used to void the deal. My guess is that they will give him a huge contract and he will end up reporting.
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