OK, I don't belive in alot of whats out there on the 2012 doomsday theories that fact that Roland Emerick is making another disaster movies (Day After Tommarow) based on 2012 makes it less likely and more laughable, but some stuff does make me nervous.



The Mayan peoples knew about this shit, they charted the stars long before any of the western peoples, and thier long count calender ends on December 21, 2012. This is also pretty much the exact poin where our solar system alings with the center of the milkyway galaxy and then passes through to the other side.


The worry is the change, and galactic alignment may cause magnetic issues effecting the way our atmosphere blocks out UV rays, or a dramatic pole shift.




I could go on and on about solar maximums and other bizzare things that make 2012 a risk, but the alignment is the biggest reason to have some fear.



To make things stranger you have structures like this one http://www.viewzone.com/yamantau.html Now you can't tell me our government really doesn't know what that thing is for???


come on some ginormous underground structure in a time when nukes are being disarmed, seriously... seriously! that thing makes the most concearned.

dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria

This post had everything.

Roland Emerick
Mayan peoples
pole shift
ginormous underground structure

This thread makes me happy.

The galactic stuff is actually something more concerning than the link of that anthill.

I doubt anything happens but I'll be anxiously awaiting to see what happens. I'll be getting my popcorn out on the 20th of December.

I've got my REM mix-tape ready just for the occasion.

Methinks the Mayan calendar stopped adding dates around the same time whitey showed up and we'll all be scratching our heads on 12/21/12 going, "This is so Y2K."

Julio Cesar Chavez will croak on December 21, 2012. That's why the Mayans were like fuck it after that.

Aztec, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

OH Wait....lemme go get my boots! So I can shake in em.





Fuck a 2012

2 part thing. Interesting. Click

I wonder if the Mayans knew all this astrology stuff, what do them geniuses at NASA know that the rest of us don't? Orbiting the earth since the 60s and they don't know shit?

Probably. Culiacan is a nahuatl word.

That article you posted is about half bunk though. I've said it before a couple of times, but instead of just giving you a link, I'll say it again: the maya never said anything about the world ending or there being some cataclysmic event, celestial or otherwise. They felt that it would simply bring a new "age" or "era," whatever word you'd like to use. I've never heard or read any respected anthropologist or mayanist say anything about it, and I've read a lot on the subject. Also, a handful of mayanists don't even agree that the date is December 21st, 2012, and that it might be off by as much as a few years because of glyph translation errors, and therefore math errors.

As far as the celestial anomaly or whatever on that particular day, I honestly don't know a ton about it. But it's odd to me that few (if any) respected astronomers, physicists, etc. even discuss this subject in public with much sincerity.

It's kinda interesting, but calling it another Y2K is probably accurate.

This shit is stupid. Is anyone watching The History Channel tonight? It's Nostradamus week. It's exactly his thought which has been SO FUCKING WRONG it's ridiculous.

The date, 12/21/12, sounds a little too pre-packaged to me.
What are the odds of the end of the world falling on an easy-to-remember, easily marketable date?

It's all bullshit. As for the "age" that is coming (which the History channel did a poor job of making up 2012 to make the show matter), the "age of Aquarius which they spoke about so much start around 2160.

All the Mayans did is what any good astronomist would do...pay attention and use scientific formulas. Now it's become a doomsday wack job for "the end is near" nutjobs.

The end of the world ain't coming anytime soon. The end of humans, well that's a different subject and a different calendar.

well if you flip the middle two digits you get 12 instead of 21. think about it.


I like how humans like too consider their/our end, the worlds end. It'll still be here long after we are gone. The fuckin egos on us.

Screw that fancy, logical, scientific, antropolgisty analysis stuff. 12/21/12 = the end. I'm buying an AR-15 and sitting on my roof.

and shoot down what? The gamma ray burst that's expected to wipe out the planet's living things?

The only thing I'm worried about is a zombie invasion, until that happens, all these "end of the world" yahoos can suck it.


Although "Armageddon week" on the History channel has been pretty entertaining.

Fixxxord.

Damn, they removed the Penn and Teller Bullshit segment on youtube.


It's worth a laugh.

Zombies, duh.

Btw, I'm going to assume that anyone walking around after that date is one of the living dead.

Fuck a gamma ray.

ALL Should fear the ungodly wrath of the impending Zombie Invasion.

You are a wise man.

After the solar flare hits, will I get to be the Hulk? That would be cool.

I'm guessing more like Reed Richards. Which would be awesome cuz ya know...

nah....most of that Nostradamus shit is just a bunch of people using his work and making thier own interpretations. Keying in on one or two words in a garbled message to begin with

After 12/21/12, when human beings are trying to start over again, I volunteer to lead the repopulation of the Earth as long as I don't have to be responsible in any form for the children produced. K thx bye.

I'd repopulate the earth. Except they would probably want someone with tall genes. I make em pretty but short.

Question?

Will it be at the International Date Line as soon as it becomes that day or will it be some other point? I mean we get that shit when religious cults say it's the end of the world "at midnight." Texas time? Whoops?

Just curious.

Also, will this possibly the end for humans, all creatures, or the planet?

Finally, why couldn't Mayans predict their end?

How many times have supposed 'prophets', which we now refer to as "mentally ill", predicted the supposed end of the world? 1,000 times? 10,000? More?

Silliness. Ain't fuck-all going to happen, unless people decide to make shit happen in order to have a self-fulfilling prophecy. Stating that it's the end can make superstitious folk do idiotic things (mass suicides for example). Long as they do idiotic things to themselves, I don't care. Just leave everyone else out of it.

There have been innumerable solar flares and polar shifts before. They are part of the overall cycle. Oddly, none of them have resulted in much of anything other than minor, transitory problems that are easily dealt with or adapted to...but oh, yeah. THIS one will be different and HUGE and CATACLYSMIC, because, um...well, because it's the one that's now and not then.

Well the maya certainly understood the importance and significance of the number 12, as have most "advanced" civilizations throughout human history. Doesn't mean anything in this case though. Just that they were excellent observers and astronomers without having much scientific equipment.

So maybe we have it wrong. Maybe the world ends on 12/12/12?

(That's midnight GMT, Dobie. )

the hell it doesn't, it means I get fucked out of a B-day by 7 days.

Oh another "significant" number...7. 7 days to create the world.

I think it's pretty clear I'm the chosen one.

No one really knows what happened to the Mayans. They just kinda disappeared. Wild thoeries sugest they left with the Aliens that gave them the knowledge, or they went undeground....litterally not figurativly.

Radicle ideas

Its not the date line its just the winter solstice, again if something bad were going to happen I would think it would be a slow build up. Crazy people thought that year when we had like 30 hurricains was the start, but last time I checked things seem to have died down.

Y2k
Bigfoot
Loch Ness Monster


...yeah. BTW, you obviously "haven't checked" on hurricanes.

The hurricanes have not died down. This year was the fourth most active year since 1948. 3rd most costly and we're only talking the Atlantic. Check the other regions in the world...or not since "last time YOU checked things", you were inaccurate.

Not true. You're correct in that there are certain regions (and cities, namely Tikal and the lowlands along the Yukatan) where the native maya seemed to just disappear, but the vast majority of known maya were wiped out by disease, mass murder and slave labor.

Most likely the remaining Maya bred in with the Aztecs. I'm sorry but ppl cant just disappear into thin air.

Not unless you're a Jedi you can't.

Mayans aren't extinct or gone, there are still Mayans from Chiapas Mex. (remember the conflict in the mid 90s) all the way down to Guatemala.

Yes, they are of indigenous decent mostly Maya.

The conflict between EZLN and the Maras (the maras are central and south american illegal immigrant gangs)
Yes I remember that.

I never said they were extinct.

They bred with other communities/ tribes to survive.



By the way its just Maya (s) no "n".

Maya means net. So I guess they were ahead of their time, astronomers and the originators of the 'net.

Anyway I was thinking. Looking at the galaxy and how things revolve around each other. What if we're all part of an atom? Hear me out.

The sun is our nucleus, the planets it's protons and electrons, and we're the subatomic particles. Doesn't there have to be some kind of connection that the smallest of objects (that we know of) behave similarly to the largest (again, that we know of) in our universe?

Nothing scientific about my observation, just a random thought.

What do you all think is at the center of our galaxy? All the stars and planets are revolving around something right? A blackhole? Not likely as I'm sure that would have been detected, seeing as light can't even escape. Or is it some kind of dense dark matter? Uh anyway, just a few questions. I fully expect Inty or Kitty (I'll be disappointed if neither of you encyclopedias offer an opinion) to reply.

Maybe I need to hit a blunt and think about this. I'm sure I'll find out the answer even if it's only for an hour.

Gravity, if I understand what you're saying correctly. The nucleus tends to be the largest, most massive part of most atoms and everything "revolves" around the nucleus. Smaller celestial bodies revolve around larger ones because gravity holds them to their orbit. I suppose the workings of an atom are similar, but protons, electrons, etc. don't actually rotate or revolve like planets do (as far as we know). It's interesting to think about though.

As far as the center of our galaxy, it's a supermassive black hole. Most galaxies have supermassive black holes at their center. Dark matter plays a huge part as well because that's what most of the galaxy is comprised of.

Word, Thanks, I knew I didn't know what I was talkin' about.

It's pretty tough to find people in Mexico who don't have at least a couple drops of either spanish, portuguese or italian blood somewhere. There probably are a few groups that have a high percentage of native blood though.

As I said, most maya were killed within 50 or so years of Cortes' excursion into Mexico. The spanish had heard all sorts of rumors about a ton of precious metals in central Mexico, so the maya who didn't die of disease (probably smallpox, but syphilis and flu also) or resistance were used as slaves for gold and silver mines. They didn't tend to last long either. Many committed suicide because they couldn't deal with the change and labor.

If you're really interested in this subject, check out American Holocaust by David Stannard. There's a pretty large chapter devoted to Mexico and Central America.

Kitty and I, when we went to the Yucatan had lunch at a Mayan hut made by a Mayan woman. Shit was the bomb. She made everything from scratch including the chicken that she killed and cleaned. We did a jungle tour and not in a bus but with some old cat in a shitty Chrysler who was from America who moved there in the late 60's. No real roads either. Just dirt and bumps. He taught us about Mayan medicine based off of the plants there.

We swam in Senotes (*sp*) and leaned 100x more than some shit tour.

I was a bit nervous when we got out of the car 20 miles from civilization and oh boy pulled out a machete. That shit had me on alert until I saw he was cutting down a pathway and not or narrow asses.

Mayans exist.

That tour was the bomb. Swimming in a crystal-clear, DEEP-ass freshwater cave pool out in the middle of frickin' nowhere, with bats flying around overhead was something. Before I Tarzaned into the pool, we sat at the edge of the entrance and watched thousands of butterflies of every imaginable size and color seething to and fro, lighting on the rocks and dabbing up a quick bit of water. I wish I'd had a decent camera for that.

I <3 the Yucatan.

its a mis-statement. The Maya didnt disappear, there are millions of them around. But alot of their civilization "disappeared" (collapsed is probably a better word) a couple hundred years before the Spanish even arrived. Mostly in the highlands, a centralized society that built extensive cities "collapsed" and people turned to less complex societies. But they still built big cities in the lowlands. Most likely they just overtaxed the environment, we're talking about huge societies of tens of millions of people. And then the Spanish came and disease took out many more folks.

But there are now millions of Maya speakers in Chiapas, the Yucatan, and even more in Central America.