Let's pretend James was in condition for 3 fights or so.

Light heavy or cruiser, though it's not important beyond struggle to make weight.

I think Qawi is too much for both over 15.

I think Dwight beats Toney. That constant pressure, coming in low, working the body, and being able to slip shots on the way in would be a bad style for Toney. Qawi wasnt that crude he his shots were short and precise.

Roy has a better chance if he can stay in the center of the ring and potshot and move. Not easy because Qawi isnt fazed by the incoming. If Roy lays on the ropes he would pay for it.

That one would be a toss up.

Agreed, Qawi does for Toney over the rounds.

Never seeing Jones at cruiser is another regret for me in his career. I'd pick him at 175, but at 190 I'm not so sure, especially over 15. The added weight of both men and the longer duration would eventually catch up with him - it would all depend on how he did in the first two thirds of the fight.

I think Toney is perfectly suited for Qawi and it would have been a hell of a scrap.

Toney's chin held up to shots from much larger fighters, Qawi's punches had plenty of gas behind them, but James was nearly impossible to hurt to the head and he protected his body well.

And call me crazy, but Toney was one of the few guys i thought wouldnt have suffered from going 15. His style is languid and loose, his defense was so well honed by the time he was a cruiser that he didnt really feel the full power of his opponents shots. I think Qawi would charge early then start to feel James's counters down the stretch and from there its all guessing.

I think it would be a foy type ordeal.

On a side note, I never thought Roy would have done good against Qawi. Dwights head was like a cinderblock, and the amount of pressure he would bring would make it look like a prison shower rape with Roy getting mercilessly shoved against the ropes over and over and pounded on. Roys legs didnt have the power to push Dwight off of him, and he was a one punch at a time fighter by the time he moved to the higher weights. One punch and a pose from a hard hitting supermiddle / muscled-up lt heavyweight is not enough to stop Qawi the bull from coming forward and mauling you.

I don't think James Toney ever had a significant win at 175, his fights with Griffen were close and he could have got the nod but he just looked like crap most of the time. I don't think Qawi KO's him but he does win an easy decision and Toney takes punishment. Toney at Crusierweight was a much better fights and if he fought Qawi up there, it would be a crazy, nasty war to end all wars. I would take Toney at 190.

I think Jones Jr could outbox Qawi and hit him hard enough to make him respect him some and if not, get out of the way as long as he doesn't go straight back and lay on the ropes covering up, if he doesn't he wins a decision.

I assumed we were talking cruiser. My bad. All of what i posted was meant for cruiser.

Jones hits hard for sure, but Evander unloaded a heap of punishment of Qawi and he wouldnt wilt. I doubt he stops coming forward for a smaller fighter like Roy. I like Roy a lot in most Mythical Matchups. But his little chicken legs wouldnt really benefit him against someone with Qawis determination holding him against the ropes or in the corner and pounding on him like a heavybag. Qawi was a fucking steamroller.

RJJ wins a wide decision.

Toney/Quawi would be a heck of a fight though. I'm going w/ DMQ by decision in a great fight where he is more active and takes a few more rounds.

RJJ would get run out of the ring. RJJ had a tendency to fight off the ropes, against Qawi that habit would cost him. I think his footspeed troubles Qawi, but you can't win a fight by running away. I see Qawi by late stoppage.

Toney's habit of laying on the ropes and countering would also cost him against Qawi. James would counter well and there would be fireworks, but Qawi would consistently outwork him to a UD.

When Roy is mostly missing his pot shots, and the rest don't budge Dwight..... then what?

This is light heavy or cruiser, btw.

Qawi-Toney is a war every single time. I like DMQ, but it would be a nasty brawl.

All kinds of guys have won running away. Remember that DMQ is a really short guy (about 5'6"). Remember what Spinks did? RJJ (even at LH) is far faster and more precise than Michael ever was. DMQ probably makes the distance, but gets schooled in the process.

Roy and Spinks are NOTHING alike, except that they were both really really fucking good.

I think DMQ would make Roy miss more than ever and have him holding on for dear life on the inside. Qawi was strong as they come and virtually impossible to hurt. I know Roy can't hurt him at all.

Qawi fought Spinks with a torn rotator cufff.

Say what you want but i cant imagine Roy doing anything with Qawi.

By the time Roy would have moved up to take this fight he was the one shot and pose fighter, not the combo throwing 168 pounder.

One shot at a time vs Qawi at cruiser would have been Glenn Johnson times a hundred. I see virtually no chance for Roy to potshot Dwight with any great success. Especially if its 15 rounds. Far more likely Dwight eventually wears his body down with his bulldog frame and puts one across Roys chin.

Roy at light heavy or (mythically) cruiser is not suited for a larger granite jawed pressure fighter with heavy hands.

Spinks was 6'3 and he kept Qawi at the end of his jab all night.

I don't care how much Qawi comes forward, I just don't see him hitting a prime Roy that much, it won't be a good fight anyways, but I just can't see Qawi ever being able to really find Roy and put a hurt on him, pot shots and making Qawi miss would win Roy rounds.

The ultimate fight here is Qawi vs Toney at Cruiserweight, seriously I think it would be mind blowing to say the least.

Not to keep this going but,

Roy was not in his prime at the end of his light heavy run, nor do i consider him in his prime when he moved up to beat Baldomir.....err, Ruiz for the heavyweight strap. (stolen from someone else) Roy mops the deck with any fighter i can think of at 168, and beats all but a few light heavies when he first moved up, but by the time he actually moved up to heavyweight he was done. He was a one punch at a time fighter, just like he is now.

Qawi fought with a hell of a lot more intensity than Ruiz did. Im just saying. Ruiz let him lay back and look flashy, Qawi would do no such thing.

Qawi would make Roy very uncomfortable at featherweight.

Yep. And given the trouble that Roy had with Montell in their first fight, I think Qawi would take him convincingly. Montell had a similar crouching style defense, but did not have nearly the offensive firepower or chin of Qawi. I think Qawi's defense would have Roy missing a lot of his potshots, just as Montell's defense gave Roy fits in their first fight, and I think that when Qawi got Roy cornered he'd lay a beating on him the likes of which Roy never experienced in his prime. Roy's speed and movement would give Qawi trouble in spots, and I could see the fight being even going into rounds 6-8, but I think by the later rounds Qawi would be firmly in control and Roy would be in full retreat.

Spinks would knock Roy out.

Roy certainly had trouble in their first fight but he did figure him out late and he did destroy him in the rematch. That crouching style was effective but none the less Griffin and Roy were both trying to get each other to lead. Faint and bait type affair. You think that would be the case here? I don't. Qawi would make Roy work and its possible he takes a decision but no way does he have his way with Roy. Roy didn't put enough in his shots to stop Qawi but he was quick and hit hard enough. Full retreat? That sounds pretty unrealistic.



With a ring post? Its possible but hardly the most likely outcome. Unless of course you mean after he returned to lightheavy.

I mean anytime. Long and tall with a great jab and straight right hand. Roy was good defensively and he might go the distance. But he wouldn't come close to winning. Too much offensive variety and size for Jones to deal with.

Spinks was a better fighter than Jones imo.

I would take Spinks as well based on his size advantage but not going away. The key would be that Roy would be forced to take the fight to him, which he doesn't like doing.

I think Spinks was a better lightheavy, fighter not really. In fact not at all.

Interesting in this thread is that a few people who picked Qawi going away (which I find fairly improbable) thought Roy could give Duran a p4p loss. Just seems inconsistent and quite odd.

I'm not picking Qawi going away. I would pick Michael going away.

Qawi would be bringing the fight to Roy a lot more than Montell did. The fact that RJJ doesn't hit quite as hard at 175lbs only makes DMQ come forward even more. RJJ's angles and speed of hand/foot are too much. He doesn't feel the need to somehow outmacho the Camden Buzzsaw. Dwight might win a round or two, but gets owned overall.

I only pointed out Spinks earlier because it was said that you couldn't beat DMQ backing up and that's exactly how Michael won. OK, he's 6'2" and Roy is only 5'11" but Roy is quicker (hand and foot) and more precise.

Spinks, DMQ, either way RJJ beats either of them at LH. DMQ gets schooled over the distance and Mike gets KO'd in 10.

No way in hell Roy stops Spinks and he wasn't more precise either. Roy has very little shot of winning. Much less stopping him. Spinks had a granite chin. Roy's only hope would be to run and try and stink it out.

The height, reach and jab are three things that Roy didn't have. He could beat qawi. Though it's doubtful. Spinks would beat him pretty easily.

Even if Jones ends up beating Qawi, he gets busted up like he never has before. Qawi was that kind of dude, all man. He'd be in Jones' grill all night, but he also gets hit a hell of a lot. I sort of see it as a slightly less entertaining version of Dawson/Johnson, simply because Jones would never be as willing to go to war with a pressure fighter like Qawi as Dawson was with Johnson.

I wonder if a lot of people underrate Spinks that bad that they only ever remember the heavyweight version of him? From everything I've seen of him at 175 (admittedly, not much since I'm young), Spinks was amazing down there. Big, tall, great jab, and really good power in that straight right. He'd keep the smaller Jones at the end of his jab for the majority of the night.

Umm, I don't think he's beating Spinks but im not buying that he's losing easily. Neither faced a fighter like the other and Roy's speed is not going to be easily dealt with.

It would cause trouble for anyone. Spinks just isn't going to be in range for Roy's single shots and his chin is too striong for Roy to dent. It's probably a pretty boring fight with Jones in survival mode. If Roy tries to win, he goes to sleep.