TheChiefSecond
Sep 15 2008, 08:32 AM
Since Barrera has just recently signed a six year contract with Don King. This would be a very alluring fight for him, as Campbell holds all the major titles at the 135 lbs limit. This would give MAB an opportunity to pursue a fourth title in four different weight classes. To me this fight is more feasible than a fight with either Juan Manuel Marquez or Juan Diaz, since they are both under contract with Golden Boy Promotions.
So what do you guys think, any thoughts or suggestions?
glockw0rk
Sep 15 2008, 08:33 AM
Hopefully Nate would be a 2-1 dog again so I could make up for the money I didn't win in the Guzman fight.
Eaner0919
Sep 15 2008, 08:33 AM
I think that is why King signed him to give Nate a name fighter to fight in case GBP does not want to deal with King or Nate
TrueWest
Sep 15 2008, 08:34 AM
I think its very possible and something King thought of when signing MAB. I think Nate beats MAB and does it easily too. If anything good comes out of that fight is that Nate gets a nice payday and MAB gets his ass kicked.
Eaner0919
Sep 15 2008, 08:38 AM
MAB will get smashed
TrueWest
Sep 15 2008, 08:42 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Sep 15 2008, 12:29 PM)

MAB will get smashed
yes
SenseFullViolence
Sep 15 2008, 09:04 AM
Before, I would say that MAB is smart enough to avoid this kind of fight, where he will get his ass kciked
but MAB seems to be getting desperate. I never though he'd volunteer to get spanked again v. Pac, but he did (and had enough to give Pac a boring decision, as opposed to another ass-kicking)
all the cards point to JMM-Diaz, and DK getting his guys together. LOL at DK signing MAB to 6 years, I guess MAB figures he'll be back for a long run.
QUOTE(True Heffernan @ Sep 15 2008, 09:25 AM)

If anything good comes out of that fight is that Nate gets a nice payday and MAB gets his ass kicked.

to both sentiments
pumpkinlee
Sep 15 2008, 09:11 AM
QUOTE(glockw0rk @ Sep 15 2008, 09:24 AM)

Hopefully Nate would be a 2-1 dog again so I could make up for the money I didn't win in the Guzman fight.
if nate was a 2-1 dog.....which i dont he would, i would be the house on nate
TheChiefSecond
Sep 15 2008, 09:12 AM
QUOTE(TheChiefSecond @ Sep 15 2008, 09:23 AM)

Since Barrera has just recently signed a six year contract with Don King. This would be a very alluring fight for him, as Campbell holds all the major titles at the 135 lbs limit. This would give MAB an opportunity to pursue a fourth title in four different weight classes. To me this fight is more feasible than a fight with either Juan Manuel Marquez or Juan Diaz, since they are both under contract with Golden Boy Promotions.
So what do you guys think, any thoughts or suggestions?
Edit: The promotional deal that Marco Antonio Barrera signed with Don King was for five years.
glockw0rk
Sep 15 2008, 09:14 AM
QUOTE(pumpkinlee @ Sep 15 2008, 10:02 AM)

if nate was a 2-1 dog.....which i dont he would, i would be the house on nate
Yah, I doubt I'll get that lucky...but a guy can dream!
Eaner0919
Sep 15 2008, 09:18 AM
QUOTE(SenseFullViolence @ Sep 15 2008, 09:55 AM)

Before, I would say that MAB is smart enough to avoid this kind of fight, where he will get his ass kciked
but MAB seems to be getting desperate. I never though he'd volunteer to get spanked again v. Pac, but he did (and had enough to give Pac a boring decision, as opposed to another ass-kicking)
all the cards point to JMM-Diaz, and DK getting his guys together. LOL at DK signing MAB to 6 fights, I guess MAB figures he'll be back for a long run.

to both sentiments
thats the key
I dont think he had many options left
Top Rank probably didnt want him
he is on the outs with GBP
why else would he sign with an east coast promoter who hasn't had a marketable Mexican fighter since who Chavez?
TheChiefSecond
Sep 15 2008, 09:23 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Sep 15 2008, 10:09 AM)

thats the key
I dont think he had many options left
Top Rank probably didnt want him
he is on the outs with GGP
why else would he sign with an east coast promoter who hasn't had a marketable Mexican fighter since who Chavez?
I believe it's because he wants to make history, by becoming the first Mexican fighter to win titles in four different weight divisions.
YOUNGLORD3337
Sep 15 2008, 09:35 AM
MAB should

retire already
TrueWest
Sep 15 2008, 10:25 AM
QUOTE(pumpkinlee @ Sep 15 2008, 01:02 PM)

if nate was a 2-1 dog.....which i dont he would, i would be the house on nate
i would liquidate all my assets and borrow $25,000 from all my loved ones if Nate is the underdog.
Walk With Deez
Sep 15 2008, 10:36 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if MAB turned back the clock one last time.
SenseFullViolence
Sep 15 2008, 10:55 AM
QUOTE(ERIK MOSTRALES @ Sep 15 2008, 11:27 AM)

I wouldn’t be surprised if MAB turned back the clock one last time.
what, back to
Nov 22, 1996 or to
Nov. 15, 2003?
click the dates for happy times
TrueWest
Sep 15 2008, 12:48 PM
QUOTE(SenseFullViolence @ Sep 15 2008, 02:46 PM)

what, back to
Nov 22, 1996 or to
Nov. 15, 2003?
click the dates for happy times
javier_83
Sep 15 2008, 03:02 PM
well i thinks this its a bad choiise, he must retire, at least go back to superfeatherweight
YOUNGLORD3337
Sep 15 2008, 03:41 PM
Geez, as much as i like Nate. The nuthugging around here is gettin a lil overboard. I don't think Nate will be a HOF and he has some losses. Plus he's in his late 30s. That's a dangerous age for a lightweight. I think Marco would do good the 1st five rounds and then get stopped later. I kinda see a Junior Jomes repeat but the clock is ticking for Nate. Barrera is very intelligent and who knows. If he has anything left he might make a fight out of it.
I seriously think the Funeka fight is very dangerous for Nate and wouldn't be surprised if he loses but I will be going for Nate.
indio1
Sep 15 2008, 03:44 PM
i hope nate trashes that motherfucker
Mike Quartey
Sep 15 2008, 06:43 PM
glockw0rk
Sep 15 2008, 06:57 PM
And don't forget that youtube boxing comments are always a humor goldmine!
K X P
Sep 16 2008, 02:58 AM
QUOTE(glockw0rk @ Sep 15 2008, 12:24 PM)

Hopefully Nate would be a 2-1 dog again so I could make up for the money I didn't win in the Guzman fight.
Amen to that. I am STILL kicking myself for not knowing about that Kid Diamond fight until the results were posted. I was furious I missed the fight and then when I found out what the odds were I was fit to put my head threw a wall.
K X P
Smelodies
Sep 16 2008, 03:05 AM
If you are, or have ever been, a Barrera fan, you don't want to see this fight.
QUOTE(YOUNGLORD3337 @ Sep 15 2008, 05:32 PM)

Geez, as much as i like Nate. The nuthugging around here is gettin a lil overboard. I don't think Nate will be a HOF and he has some losses. Plus he's in his late 30s. That's a dangerous age for a lightweight. I think Marco would do good the 1st five rounds and then get stopped later. I kinda see a Junior Jomes repeat but the clock is ticking for Nate. Barrera is very intelligent and who knows. If he has anything left he might make a fight out of it.
I seriously think the Funeka fight is very dangerous for Nate and wouldn't be surprised if he loses but I will be going for Nate.
Maybe Barrera-David Diaz, if the boy really feels the need to continue.
TheChiefSecond
Sep 16 2008, 05:07 AM
I do kinda get the feeling that Marco Antonio Barrera is being sold a little short here in this potential bout. I am not predicting that he would win, but how many times has he ever been overmatched in his career? I can only think of three. The first Junior Jones fight and the series with Emanuel Pacquiao. Other than those three occasions, he has been a live opponent and highly competitive in every bout that he has ever competed in. Including those close losses to Junior Jones, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez.
SenseFullViolence
Sep 16 2008, 05:35 AM
But MAB would be about 2 years older from those fights, and taking on a much bigger fighter.
compared to Terrible, Pac & JMM, Barrera seems like he has less of a frame for LW.
its not Nate nuthuggery, at this point any top LW (save maybe David Diaz (there's a reason he was targeted) would spank MAB
Smelodies
Sep 16 2008, 06:00 AM
QUOTE(TheChiefSecond @ Sep 16 2008, 06:58 AM)

I do kinda get the feeling that Marco Antonio Barrera is being sold a little short here in this potential bout. I am not predicting that he would win, but how many times has he ever been overmatched in his career? I can only think of three. The first Junior Jones fight and the series with Emanuel Pacquiao. Other than those three occasions, he has been a live opponent and highly competitive in every bout that he has ever competed in. Including those close losses to Junior Jones, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez.
Bad style matchup + advanced ring age + size discrepancy.
All adds up to a bad night for a great old fighter.
TheChiefSecond
Sep 16 2008, 06:11 AM
I don't know. Perhaps it is just me, but I do think that it has the potential of being a hotly contested match up. One thing is for certain, MAB given his name recognition, legendary status in the ring, large fanbase and loyal following, would make this bout a huge box office draw; Especially among casual boxing fans.
Smelodies
Sep 16 2008, 06:15 AM
QUOTE(TheChiefSecond @ Sep 16 2008, 08:02 AM)

I don't know. Perhaps it is just me, but I do think that it has the potential of being a hotly contested match up. One thing is for certain, MAB given his name recognition, legendary status in the ring, large fanbase and loyal following, would make this bout a huge box office draw; Especially among casual boxing fans.
That sounds suspiciously like the "Ali Circus" argument for why Ali should fight Holmes.
TheChiefSecond
Sep 16 2008, 06:49 AM
I just don't believe that one could say Barrera is a washed up or shot fighter, just by gauging him on one lousy performance. Now granted he was very gunshy against Pacquiao in there rematch and probably shouldn't have never taken that fight in the first place; Based on the fact, that he seemed more content on just surviving against Pacman, rather than winning. However With that being said, I do believe that his lackluster effort, was more of a result from a psychological breakdown as opposed to a physical one.
Pernell_Fan
Sep 16 2008, 07:19 AM
I thought MAB retired already
glockw0rk
Sep 16 2008, 07:46 AM
QUOTE(TheChiefSecond @ Sep 16 2008, 07:40 AM)

I just don't believe that one could say Barrera is a washed up or shot fighter, just by gauging him on one lousy performance.
He's had more than one lousy performance.
He barely beat Rocky Juarez (!) in their first fight, cheated in the second one (skinning his gloves was bush), got smoked by JMM and ran like a girl from Pac (not that I blame him, after the asswhipping he got in their first bout).
The last time he looked decent against anyone good was Morales four years ago.
He's old, he's been in a lot of wars and it shows.
TrueWest
Sep 16 2008, 08:01 AM
If MAB was gonna be effective its not gonna be at 135 facing bigger guys. He's shopworn but moving up in weight isn't going to help him. No shame in losing to JMM and Pacquiao but the way he packed in for Pac was just awful.
If he was fighting at 130, there would be a better chance he would be successful. At 135, he gets beat and Nate, arguably the best Lightweight right now, would destroy him.
prodigious1
Sep 16 2008, 08:21 AM
While I think that the charges of MAB being shot are a little off (he's not at his best obviously, but he lost to the two best in the world) Nate would kill him.
glockw0rk
Sep 16 2008, 08:45 AM
I wouldn't call him shot, but I think he's in the same position as Casamayor- a shadow of his former brilliance.
TheChiefSecond
Sep 16 2008, 11:12 AM
QUOTE(glockw0rk @ Sep 16 2008, 08:37 AM)

He's had more than one lousy performance.
He barely beat Rocky Juarez (!) in their first fight, cheated in the second one (skinning his gloves was bush), got smoked by JMM and ran like a girl from Pac (not that I blame him, after the asswhipping he got in their first bout).
The last time he looked decent against anyone good was Morales four years ago.
He's old, he's been in a lot of wars and it shows.
Glock, I can understand your concerns and you make many excellent points which I tend to agree with. All I was trying to say is, since Nate Campbell's chances of getting either Juan Diaz or Juan Manuel Marquez in the ring anytime soon doesn't look very good and Pacquiao's moving up to the welterweight division; This fight makes the perfect sense and in my opinion is a wonderful consolation prize for him.
Eaner0919
Sep 16 2008, 11:27 AM
I will say this on MAB's behalf. I think he is a better in fighter than both JMM and Morales and normally thats where Nate does his best work. It would be interesting to see if Barrera does have a little left to do well on the inside
glockw0rk
Sep 16 2008, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(TheChiefSecond @ Sep 16 2008, 12:03 PM)

Glock, I can understand your concerns and you make many excellent points which I tend to agree with. All I was trying to say is, since Nate Campbell's chances of getting either Juan Diaz or Juan Manuel Marquez in the ring anytime soon doesn't look very good and Pacquiao's moving up to the welterweight division; This fight makes the perfect sense and in my opinion is a wonderful consolation prize for him.
From
Nate's point of view it's a great fight.
Very winnable, decent payday, name opponent...what's not to like.
amck73
Sep 16 2008, 01:13 PM
QUOTE(Mike Quartey @ Sep 15 2008, 10:34 PM)

gdjones
Sep 16 2008, 01:27 PM
I think the first 4 or 5 rounds would be competitive then MAB would begin to run out of steam, I would like Nate by UD or late stoppage.
Although considering his last few opponents perhaps I'm being unfair in believing that Barrera's 'over the hill', Manny and JM Marquez are top 5 P4P and easily capable of making anyone look bad, regardless of age.
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