Forrest was on a radio station in LA California called AM 570 the loose cannons with Mychal Thompson formerly of the LA Lakers, Steve Hartman and Vic the brick jacobs. They interviewed both him and Sergio.

Vernon said last fight he was not properly trained and was basically done by the 4th round. This time he says he will be in great shape and ready.

If Sergio still manages to beat Vernon even though Forrest is in great shape would you consider Mora a legit 154 pount champion or just a guy who took advantage of a fighter past his prime. It was just last year that Forrest was starting to look similair to his 2003 form.

No I wouldn't.

Mora is one of the players in one of the worst divisions in Boxing. He proved he belonged in the first fight. I never have thought that sergio was garbage. You could always tell that he had some skills and plenty of balls.

I agree 154 is not exactly one of the better divisions in boxing

yes.

i think mora was the one that made the necessary adjustments in the first fight. it may not be thrilling, but he knows what hes doing in there and hes a tough out for anyone at 154

Vernon will find yet another reason other than the person in front of him as to why he lost

legit titleholder, sure, although id rank him behind dudes w/ more resume

Mora beats Viper again

and the fight is boring again. Forrest doesnt have enough gas left to press Mora and make it exciting

Vernon is out of excuses. If he loses this fight he mght as well call it a career. His career and any potential up coming big fights for him is on the line.

Sergio would get my respect!

...and I may become a fan.

he is already a legit 154 lb champ, but who cares about 154? I am intrigued by this fight but not enough to but the ppv

If he beats Lacy next will it make him a legit 168 pound champ?

He needs to fight someone already. Vern is old and broke down.

Between Phillips, Mora, Santos, Kirkland, Angulo, Martinez, Dzinziruk, Latimore, 154 has some good matchups to be made in my estimation. No, it's not one of the stronger divisions in boxing, but I don't think it's a wasteland either, and I like its future.

The future does look bright. It will be even brighter when PWill takes Verno's strap in November.

I feel that Vernon Forrest is done. He should retire, but that is unlikely to happen because everyone knows that he needs money. However, his skills are nowhere near where they used to be.

currently it is as assy wasteland of boring ass fighters

but yes, the future is bright at 154

i for one would love to see either Kirkland or Angulo turn Mora into their bitch

Might be too soon. Mora is slick. Vernon is obviously a shell of himself. There is no way he should have been a 6 or 7 to 1 favorite in the first fight, and I'm surprised this one is even $$. Serge UD, and he's a legit top guy at 154.

EDIT: Just read Mora came in 2lbs over, and is trying to lose the weight.... Hmm. I'm a little worried about his conditioning, but if there's anyone that you can afford to work a little less gainst, its this version of Forrest. Hopefully the fight is not scratched.

That would suck for Mora to lose his first defense to the scale.

Man I wonder if he can lose the two pounds. Heck, it kills me that a smallish frame like Mora can't make the weight limit. It seems like he could go as low as 147

He just made weight.

If Forrests legz can hold up - i think he wins.

Mora came in 2lbs over. He dried out for an hour to make weight. Wonder how that will effect him.

I liked Forrest before the weigh in. Just glad the Campbell fight is still on so I don't have to sit through this fight.

didn't read the thread, but fuck mora man.

forrest ain't take him seriously the first time. he'll come in there tomorrow and hand mora his ass. to him.

Sergiy Dzinziruk is the man to beat at 154, much like Joe Clazaghe he isn't getting the respect he deserves stateside, but he refuses to leave the comofrt of Europe.


He put Santos on the seat of his pants, handled him far better then Marg. Unfortunatly thats the only name on his resume an America would recognize.


He doesn't have blistering KO power but niether does anyone else at 154.


154 is a wierd weight right now, all the money players are at 147 or at 160.


It used to be thick, Sugar Shane was out of place there I know but at one point you had

Prime Winky, Young Vargas, Tito, DLH and Shane, along with Forrest and Mayo.

It's tough to say with Mora, IMO. Remember, he was fighting at middleweight for a bit and didn't exactly look undersized there. I wouldn't say it's all that similar to Guzman actually moving UP a division and coming in 3 lbs. over, but yeah...it's certainly possible that it will negatively affect him.

Personally I see Mora winning again, similar to the first fight. Forrest isn't a young guy, and once Mora realizes he can push him around a little bit, be physical and beat him to the punch, Vernon won't react all that well.

if he beats forrest again he should get his props as a champ at 154...i gave him props for winning the first time but to do it twice should make any doubters give the man his respect...i am by no means a fan of mora but i do see him winning the second time because of his youth and skill set along with his determination and confidence...i dont see forrest being able to perform any better at this stage of his career...he will make it difficult and boring but i dont see him doing enuf to get the W.

You are making an unfair assumption that Mora doesn't deserve credit for the first win because of an excuse that Forrest is making.

That is totally unfair.

They fought. Mora won. He deserved to win. Period.

If you are going to downgrade every fighter who won because of an excuse that the loser made, you are going to give practically nobody credit for a victory.

Actually i was just asking for opinions on if Mora beats Forrest again. I never meant Mora didnt deserve credit.

IMO Mora would have to beat another top tier 154'er to be recognized as champ.

Forrest had nothing, absolutely nothing, for him over the last 6 rounds of their first fight.

I am still amazed that Forrest was the betting favorite approaching this rematch.

I am a little bothered that Mora had to cut 2 lbs, but I am sticking with him.

MORA wins the rematch. Goodnight and thanks for the memories, Vernon.

the fact that there is a thread about this and that its on ppv really blows my mind.

they really expect us to pay for this crap?

I believe the one thing that is being very overlooked in this matchup, besides the fact that Vernon is older and has seen his better days in the ring, is the fact that Mora is the more physically gifted of the two fighters.

The size differential here is substantial. He has a much wider frame. To my knowledge, Sergio Mora has been a Middleweight for most of his career. While on the other hand, Vernon Forrest has been a Welterweight for most of his career.

Therefore, Mora is the naturally larger and stronger man. I may be wrong, but given the fact that Mora's superior youth and athletic ability would also come into play here, I just don't see how Forrest will have enough size and power to seriously hurt Mora or earn his respect.

That's partially true. I wouldn't call Mora the more gifted fighter. It's hard to say how strong he will be. He looked like a ghost at the weigh in. 2 lbs in a short period of time is a ton of weight.

I hate to say it, but I think Vermin wins. That two pounds will be a factor.

Props.

Congratulations to Vernon Forrest on his victory against Sergio Mora! He'd definitely turned back the clock and looked like the Vernon Forrest of old.

That was ugly. I'll give Mora a minuscule amount of credit for trying to do SOMEthing in the last couple rounds, but that was bad. I'm kinda in the middle - yeah, Mora looked like shit, but yeah, Forrest looked good too. But I think Forrest should probably get the majority of the credit, because it's not like Mora didn't try. He looked ok early on, but Vernon just shut him down, controlled the fight and straight rocked him a handful of times.

Actually a decent fight too, IMO. Not great, but watchable...which surprised me.

Does Mora deserve a rematch? And if so, should it be on BAD or maybe FNF?

Mora looked like crap. So did Forrest. The Forrest of "old" would have stopped Mora in under 5. He just gassed out and couldn't close the deal.

Let's go Forrest-Santos!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yes! Either that or Forrest-JMM. Like Vernon said, its only fair since DLH is fighting Pacman.

No wonder people are moving to MMA.

Haymen will set up Forrest/Williams early next year.

I look forward to Williams pummeling Vermin to the canvas.

williams v. forrest and santos v. forrest would both be good fights....hell forrest would ko verno and that would be good too. Not a great division but forrest in there and any fight would be good. ....I just wish williams would fight in all the divisions from 147 to 168 every 2 months and clean then all up....that would be cool. he's the only man who could do it.
Okay...i'm drunk ...but that would be cool.

Ike I mean no disrespect here, so I hope that you don't take this the wrong way; But what make you so confident that the Vernon Forrest of old would have stopped a middleweight in Sergio Mora in under 5, when the very same Vernon Forrest couldn't stop a lightweight in Sugar Shane Mosley in under 5 or a welterweight in Ricardo Mayorga in under 5? He had trouble closing the deal in those fights as well. Afterall, these men were much smaller than Sergio Mora and he still couldn't close deal against either of them.

That'd be 2 belts and only 1 to go for PWill

I smell a word change!

co-sign. Vermin is hysterical.