k9kim
Jan 2 2008, 02:26 PM
- Paul Williams- Carlos Quintana is a done deal for Feb 9th, most likely in Puerto Rico with Andre Berto to lead off the HBO broadcast. Names being mentioned for him are Isaac Hlathshawyo, Leonardo Tyner, Michael Trabant
- Alfredo Angulo will headline the Feb 1st edition of Shobox
- Martin Castillo- Fernando Montiel will be added to the Feb 16th undercard of Taylor-Pavlik
-Robert Guerrero will face Jason Litzau on Feb 29th on Shobox
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IkeForPrez
Jan 2 2008, 02:29 PM
QUOTE(k9kim @ Jan 2 2008, 02:17 PM)

-Robert Guerrero will face Jason Litzau on Feb 29th on Shobox
DarthCoqui
Jan 2 2008, 02:31 PM
SWEET
Thnx alot for the info. I will be tuning in.
I wonder how Litzau will do this time ?
DC
IkeForPrez
Jan 2 2008, 02:36 PM
QUOTE(DarthCoqui @ Jan 2 2008, 02:22 PM)

I wonder how Litzau will do this time ?
Oh I'm sure he wil do just fine.
crold1
Jan 2 2008, 02:40 PM
LOVE Castillo-Montiel about 1000000 times more than Arce-Castillo. The winner vs. Mijares (if Mijares gets through Navarro and the rumored Kirilov in succession) would make my year.
CHNCHK ThaGr8
Jan 2 2008, 02:47 PM
Just exactly why is Williams fighting in PR when he is the champ?
Aren't there any fans of his in the ATL?
mpar1
Jan 2 2008, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the updates.
WAR Robert Guerrero.
Cliff, is Navarro the mando for Mijares? That scenario that you wrote would be amazing.
crold1
Jan 2 2008, 02:51 PM
Navarro is allegedly getting next crack at Mijares last I heard and Boxrec has Mijares-Kirilov if he wins (but it's boxrec so who the hell knows). I am mostly wishing out loud. If Mijares got all those fights and won them, he's FOTY 2008.
Smelodies
Jan 2 2008, 03:04 PM
Paul would be wise to go to the body.
DetroitMex
Jan 2 2008, 03:10 PM
QUOTE(crold1 @ Jan 2 2008, 04:31 PM)

LOVE Castillo-Montiel about 1000000 times more than Arce-Castillo. The winner vs. Mijares (if Mijares gets through Navarro and the rumored Kirilov in succession) would make my year.
Cliff, it doesn't concern you that Montiel has stunk up the joint in his last few years? At least Arce would try to make it a fight.
crold1
Jan 2 2008, 03:11 PM
Montiel's last two fights were solid and he's at least five times better than Arce. This card is the best of the decade on paper with Mijares-Navarro also to go.
PWillIsGod
Jan 2 2008, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(CHNCHK ThaGr8 @ Jan 2 2008, 10:38 PM)

Just exactly why is Williams fighting in PR when he is the champ?
Aren't there any fans of his in the ATL?
He likes Puerto Rico. He trained there for Margarito. I remember watching Ossie Ocasio get brutally screwed against Michael Dokes in San Juan. PWill wont get screwed. It probably wont see the cards.
DetroitMex
Jan 2 2008, 03:18 PM
QUOTE(crold1 @ Jan 2 2008, 05:02 PM)

Montiel's last two fights were solid and he's at least five times better than Arce. This card is the best of the decade on paper with Mijares-Navarro also to go.
Montiel has was horrible vs. Too Sharp, Gonzalez, that Mex/Thailand card, etc.... He has blown too many chances in TV fights. He'll stink it up again, it is in his blood. He can whine about promoters all he wants but Golden Boy hooked him up and he blew it.
PWillIsGod
Jan 2 2008, 03:23 PM
QUOTE(DetroitMex @ Jan 2 2008, 11:09 PM)

Montiel has was horrible vs. Too Sharp, Gonzalez, that Mex/Thailand card, etc.... He has blown too many chances in TV fights. He'll stink it up again, it is in his blood. He can whine about promoters all he wants but Golden Boy hooked him up and he blew it.
The last time I saw him on VS it was a war. Montiel/Castillo is a much better fight. Both of those guys could beat Arce with their feet tied together.
DetroitMex
Jan 2 2008, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(Fat Mark @ Jan 2 2008, 05:14 PM)

The last time I saw him on VS it was a war. Montiel/Castillo is a much better fight. Both of those guys could beat Arce with their feet tied together.
I missed his last fight so I will take your word on it since I gave up on him long ago. I do reserve the right to say I told you so. I agree that Arce is overrated but at least I know he would try to make it a fight. Montiel has locked up iand gone defensive in his big fights.
antoniochamp
Jan 2 2008, 03:31 PM
I cant wait to see
Castillo vs Montiel and Guerrero vs Litzao
crold1
Jan 2 2008, 03:45 PM
Don't just take Mark's word for it; Montiel-Melendez made some FOTY lists. His fight with Gorres was good too. Ultimately, like anyone, I want to see the best fight the best. Arce is not anywhere in the zip code of that statement and never was.
residentoftheearth
Jan 2 2008, 03:48 PM
i been waiting for montiel/castillo for years, and it actually is probally a better/exciting fight now, since they have both slowed down a step.
i love gallito (one of my fav's), but he hasn't been to great in his last few fights. and i think your wrong to a certain extent detroitmex, the past 2 montiel fights have been pretty good, and the last was all action. People forget that cochulito killed a man in the ring. not to many fighters ever recover from that.
also this fight should be on the pac/marquez undercard, it fits better imo.
dapperdon
Jan 2 2008, 04:01 PM
In all fairness Montiel was dreadful on a handful of televised dates a few years ago. Boring enough where I never wanted to watch him again. I don't care that much about guys less than 122 unless they put on good fights often. Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing Montiel-Castillo, especially since Montiel's turned into a more exciting fighter.
residentoftheearth
Jan 2 2008, 04:06 PM
i would love to see mijares vs. alex munoz
PWillIsGod
Jan 2 2008, 04:28 PM
Montiel is certainly cpabale of throwing in a stinker. This isn't going to be Hagler/Hearns. There will be a lot of talent in that ring. I wanted Gallito to get a good pay day. But a close fight beats watching one of them paint a picture with Arce's face.
CHNCHK ThaGr8
Jan 2 2008, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(Fat Mark @ Jan 2 2008, 07:06 PM)

He likes Puerto Rico. He trained there for Margarito. I remember watching Ossie Ocasio get brutally screwed against Michael Dokes in San Juan. PWill wont get screwed. It probably wont see the cards.
AH HAAA!
probably the women!
He needs to concentrate on aquiring a fanbase though.
RAWDOGG69STYLE
Jan 2 2008, 04:57 PM
cant wait to see guerrero chew up litzau and spit him out...if the shit goes down here in so cal i want to be ringside to see it...sorry i just dont think much of that kid litzau...i think he will fight the ghost tuff for a few rounds but get his ass broke off in the end...should be one hell of an ass whoopin though...sounds like a good night at the fights to me!
CommanderVander
Jan 2 2008, 05:27 PM
QUOTE(k9kim @ Jan 2 2008, 10:17 PM)

- Alfredo Angulo will headline the Feb 1st edition of Shobox
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Is Angulo still fighting Ricardo Cortes? He is a local from NorCal and I've probably seen 15 of his 20+ fights. Not great but loves to go to war. Should be a barnburner...
DarthCoqui
Jan 2 2008, 06:04 PM
QUOTE(CHNCHK ThaGr8 @ Jan 2 2008, 04:32 PM)

AH HAAA!
probably the women!
He needs to concentrate on aquiring a fanbase though.
LOL
You may never know. After he beats (if) Quintana, he just might shoot out Cotto's name in front of them. I'm looking forward to this year and see what unravels for PWill and to many other Boxers.
DC
Salvy_Mic
Jan 3 2008, 05:03 AM
Pavlik/Taylor, Mijares/Navarro, and Montiel/Castillo? That's one of the best cards I've seen in quite a long time. 115 is gonna be very interesting the next year or two, especially if you throw in vulnerable moneymakers like Arce and Darchinyan, the X-factor in Donaire, the outsiders like Munoz and Kirilov, the dark horse in Gorres, and the up and comer in Banal.
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 05:10 AM
QUOTE(CHNCHK ThaGr8 @ Jan 2 2008, 02:38 PM)

Just exactly why is Williams fighting in PR when he is the champ?
Aren't there any fans of his in the ATL?
uh because PR is like his adopted hometown. When he went to train for his fight with Margarito he fell in love with the island and has said many times he would love to go back.
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 05:45 AM
QUOTE(crold1 @ Jan 2 2008, 03:02 PM)

Montiel's last two fights were solid and he's at least five times better than Arce. This card is the best of the decade on paper with Mijares-Navarro also to go.
ridiculously overblown statements
you may not like Arce but to say Montiel is five times better than him is laughable considering at times he fights like a scared lil boy when he is up against someone posing a threat to him. Too Sharp, Jhonny, Z Gorres etc. While Arce is limited he is also a lot better than you give him credit for.
and while this is a good card to say its the best of the last decade? 03/19/05 could make a case just off the top of my head
*back on ignore*
SenseFullViolence
Jan 3 2008, 06:22 AM
ive been calling for sacrificing Litzau to Guerrero since they both came on the stage. im just years ahead of my time.
it'll be fun while it lasts. like many others, i find Litzau annoying, but he's a warrior, he wont go down w/o a fight.
That Feb 16 card

I got Gallito for any Hotpants fans who wanna sig bet. I hope Hotpants doesn't re-acquire his "Willie Pep" style (as Kellerman states).
After catching a couple of Mijares' fights on youtube, i am becoming a fan. Seeing him school fArce, i though he was a great, if boring, boxer, but catching his fights w/ the Japanese ex-champ KK (dont even want to try and spell) showed me that homie can mix it up too.
Hopefully this turns into a superfly tourney, although i agree that Munoz deserves a look too.
bemin
Jan 3 2008, 06:32 AM
QUOTE(Fat Mark @ Jan 2 2008, 03:06 PM)

He likes Puerto Rico. He trained there for Margarito. I remember watching Ossie Ocasio get brutally screwed against Michael Dokes in San Juan. PWill wont get screwed. It probably wont see the cards.
I see fighters get screwed in Vegas ALL the time. so what's your point?
residentoftheearth
Jan 3 2008, 06:37 AM
QUOTE(residentoftheearth @ Jan 2 2008, 04:39 PM)

People forget that cochulito killed a man in the ring. not to many fighters ever recover from that.
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 06:36 AM)

ridiculously overblown statements
you may not like Arce but to say Montiel is five times better than him is laughable considering at times he fights like a scared lil boy when he is up against someone posing a threat to him. Too Sharp, Jhonny, Z Gorres etc. While Arce is limited he is also a lot better than you give him credit for.
like i said before

i think we have to give montiel a little credit for his lackluster fights... He killed a man in the ring.. besides robinson, not to many men were able to recover from that
TrueWest
Jan 3 2008, 06:54 AM
Litzau will outbox Guerrero. I hate Guerrero. Dude is dirty and I think he's overrated. Will be a good fight tho but I expect rough and dirty tactics. Litzau can redeem himself here big time.
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 07:08 AM
QUOTE(residentoftheearth @ Jan 3 2008, 06:28 AM)

like i said before

i think we have to give montiel a little credit for his lackluster fights... He killed a man in the ring.. besides robinson, not to many men were able to recover from that
true and I dont really shit on Montiel because of his style. However, when someone comes on here and claims he is at least 5 times better than Arce I think it's ridiculous.
DetroitMex
Jan 3 2008, 07:10 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 07:36 AM)

ridiculously overblown statements
you may not like Arce but to say Montiel is five times better than him is laughable considering at times he fights like a scared lil boy when he is up against someone posing a threat to him. Too Sharp, Jhonny, Z Gorres etc. While Arce is limited he is also a lot better than you give him credit for.
and while this is a good card to say its the best of the last decade? 03/19/05 could make a case just off the top of my head
*back on ignore*
E,
I know for a fact that folks in his good friend Barrera's camp implored him to step it up because he couldn't afford to stink it up again for the Gonzalez fight. They told him it might be his last big chance to be in the money and create demand for himself. He told them he couldn't change the way he fights and ended up in purgatory after he layed that huge egg. I didn't see his last fight so I can't comment on it but I didn't think the Gorres fight was that good either. I'll bet that he'll suck it up vs. Castillo. Glad you chimed in, I was starting to think I was in the Twilight Zone with folks extolling the virtues of a Montiel fight.
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 07:20 AM
QUOTE(Money Trueweather @ Jan 3 2008, 06:45 AM)

Litzau will outbox Guerrero. I hate Guerrero. Dude is dirty and I think he's overrated. Will be a good fight tho but I expect rough and dirty tactics. Litzau can redeem himself here big time.
no he wont. Litzau is Shitzau and if you think Ghost is overated then Shitzau is a notch or more below him.
residentoftheearth
Jan 3 2008, 07:23 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 07:59 AM)

true and I dont really shit on Montiel because of his style. However, when someone comes on here and claims he is at least 5 times better than Arce I think it's ridiculous.
i think its a bit ridiculous too, but cliff gets a little crazy sometimes w/ the bellow bantam guys. (and i love them also!)
but i think GGP was screwing montiel, not really his fault that GGP didnt want to work w/ Top Rank all those years were the better fights were...he got stuck fighting a big bantam in jhonny. fight sucked but he held his own. ....enough about cochulito. im starting to feel like his shorts....War Gallito Castillo!!!
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 07:23 AM
QUOTE(DetroitMex @ Jan 3 2008, 07:01 AM)

E,
I know for a fact that folks in his good friend Barrera's camp implored him to step it up because he couldn't afford to stink it up again for the Gonzalez fight. They told him it might be his last big chance to be in the money and create demand for himself. He told them he couldn't change the way he fights and ended up in purgatory after he layed that huge egg. I didn't see his last fight so I can't comment on it but I didn't think the Gorres fight was that good either. I'll bet that he'll suck it up vs. Castillo. Glad you chimed in, I was starting to think I was in the Twilight Zone with folks extolling the virtues of a Montiel fight.
well he has been on record as to complaining why he doesnt get the big fights and someone put him in his place that he has to be watchable in order to get those. Mind you this was after the Gonzalez fight so him demanding he be part of a big fight after that dismal of a performance is laughable
FrankieJ.
Jan 3 2008, 07:25 AM
War Gallito!!! He's been training for a minute and is working with Rudy Perez!
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 07:27 AM
QUOTE(residentoftheearth @ Jan 3 2008, 07:14 AM)

i think its a bit ridiculous too, but cliff gets a little crazy sometimes w/ the bellow bantam guys. (and i love them also!)
but i think GGP was screwing montiel, not really his fault that GGP didnt want to work w/ Top Rank all those years were the better fights were...he got stuck fighting a big bantam in jhonny. fight sucked but he held his own. ....enough about cochulito. im starting to feel like his shorts....War Gallito Castillo!!!
he screwed it up not GGP (which is hard for me to say)
Montiel kept balking at fights he was offered by GGP and by his managment team stating the price they were offering was too low
Montiel was the sole reason why Montiel did not get big fights. Not his promoter and certainly not his manager.
QUOTE(FrankieJ. @ Jan 3 2008, 07:16 AM)

War Gallito!!! He's been training for a minute and is working with Rudy Perez!
where is Gallito training at?
FrankieJ.
Jan 3 2008, 07:30 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 07:18 AM)

he screwed it up not GGP (which is hard for me to say)
Montiel kept balking at fights he was offered by GGP and by his managment team stating the price they were offering was too low
Montiel was the sole reason why Montiel did not get big fights. Not his promoter and certainly not his manager.
where is Gallito training at?
Ben Lira gym
DetroitMex
Jan 3 2008, 07:39 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 09:18 AM)

he screwed it up not GGP (which is hard for me to say)
Montiel kept balking at fights he was offered by GGP and by his managment team stating the price they were offering was too low
Montiel was the sole reason why Montiel did not get big fights. Not his promoter and certainly not his manager.
where is Gallito training at?
I thought Golden Boy did well for him. They got a little guy plenty of exposure on HBO Latino, HBO, PPVs etc.... How many guys at that weight can say that? He fucked it up by stinking.
Eaner0919
Jan 3 2008, 07:41 AM
what times does he train bro?
time for a video shoot agreed?
FrankieJ.
Jan 3 2008, 07:45 AM
QUOTE(El Jefe @ Jan 3 2008, 07:32 AM)

what times does he train bro?
time for a video shoot agreed?
i will let you know this week. He just go back from Mexico (where he started training) and now he's back here....
I agree, he needs a little exposure. This is a big fight for him. I know Gallito appreciates the support from maxboxing.
bradman
Jan 3 2008, 07:52 AM
QUOTE(DarthCoqui @ Jan 2 2008, 10:22 PM)

SWEET
Thnx alot for the info. I will be tuning in.
I wonder how Litzau will do this time ?
DC
I like Litzau but he's going to get his ass kicked. Guerrero will be waaaaay too much for him (and I'm not even a Guerrero fan).
QUOTE(CHNCHK ThaGr8 @ Jan 2 2008, 10:38 PM)

Just exactly why is Williams fighting in PR when he is the champ?
Aren't there any fans of his in the ATL?
well, he trains in PR and in Steve's latest article, Goosen intimates that he WANTS to fight in PR. Most champs love fighting in their own backyards and/or adopted backyards.....
punchmaster
Jan 3 2008, 09:50 AM
QUOTE(Money Trueweather @ Jan 3 2008, 06:45 AM)

Litzau will outbox Guerrero. I hate Guerrero. Dude is dirty and I think he's overrated. Will be a good fight tho but I expect rough and dirty tactics. Litzau can redeem himself here big time.
Just a crap post, fella. How dirty and overrated was his one punch KO of Honorio in his last fight, just after finding out his wife had leukemia? Litzau doesn't have a prayer here. Talk about overated. Did you see his last fight under the Vargas-Mayorga main event. Litzau seems to have lost his way.
PWillIsGod
Jan 3 2008, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(bemin @ Jan 3 2008, 02:23 PM)

I see fighters get screwed in Vegas ALL the time. so what's your point?
My point is I don't see why Williams wouldn't fight in Puerto Rico.
Ocasio was Puerto Rican. My bad, I should know better than to expect anyone to be able to put something together.
Integrital
Jan 3 2008, 10:18 AM
QUOTE(Money Trueweather @ Jan 3 2008, 09:45 AM)

Litzau will outbox Guerrero. I hate Guerrero. Dude is dirty and I think he's overrated. Will be a good fight tho but I expect rough and dirty tactics. Litzau can redeem himself here big time.
Sorry true, but Litzau sucks man. The only reason he's remotely exciting (and that's only every 3-4 fights, not every time out) is because he's very vulnerable. Dude's hittable, doesn't have a good chin, doesn't have good power, he fights with his arms hanging at his side and every few rounds he will literally RUN from his opponent.
And I'm not saying Guerrero is the "cleanest" fighter in the world, but he somehow got tacked as a dirty fighter after that second fight with Diaz. Robert's ALSO very vulnerable, but he's proven himself against much stiffer opposition than Litzau and hasn't gotten a handful of gift decisions like that little rat.
Litzau's gonna get smashed, sonny.
PWillIsGod
Jan 3 2008, 10:53 AM
He certainly isn't going to outbox anyone. that was pretty funny.
SenseFullViolence
Jan 3 2008, 12:43 PM
whats wrong w/ a little dirtiness? ima a Guerrero fan and i must admit that he is a little dirty, but it seems more "i can't control my roughhousing" type dirty as opposed to the cold, calculated, Casamayor type dirty, so i dont mind it, i actually enjoy it a bit since it doesn't slow down a fight.
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