FrankieJ.
Nov 25 2007, 08:53 PM
1) Wladimir Klitschko (KO% 85)
2) Daniel Ponce De Leon (KO% 88 )
3) Manny Pacquiao (KO% 70)
4) Kelly Pavlik (KO% 91)
5) Edwin Valero (KO% 100)
6) Kermit Cintron (KO% 90)
7) Vic Darchinyan (KO% 79)
8 ) Darnell Wilson (KO% 63)
9) David Haye (KO% 90)
10) Israel Vasquez (KO% 67)
thoughts?
brotherNAMELESS
Nov 25 2007, 09:05 PM
dude...
Sig_Sauer_P228
Nov 25 2007, 09:09 PM
IMO Vasquez hits harder than what people credit him!
Darchinyan is a great puncher at his weight class... he moves up his power will be insignificant.
The rest... great list! and I dont know about you guys but no matter how washed up he is I have always considered Randall Bailey as one of the most powerful hitters in boxing period.
Chaser
Nov 25 2007, 10:11 PM
How is Rafa Marquez not on that list?
Flex4Lex
Nov 25 2007, 10:36 PM
I definitely think Rafeal Marquez should be on the list, even more so then Isreal Vazquez, but I take offense to the Ding-aling Man, Darnell Wilson being on the list ahead of David Haye, O'neil Bell, Rafeal Marquez, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy, Alejandro Berrio, Edison Miranda, Joel Julio, Alejandro Garcia, Randall Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Juan Manuel Lopez, and maybe even Migueal Cotto ahead of the Ding-Aling Man Darnell Wilson based on the quality of opposition.
Dangerdog
Nov 25 2007, 10:48 PM
Miranda def hits harder than 90% of the guys up there. Cintron is getting so far overrated these days its hilarious. Dude stretches a few bums in dramatic fashion and all of the sudden hes Julian Jackson.
Miranda breaks jaws, puts people to sleep in the first round, etc....
Phillip Drummond
Nov 26 2007, 12:18 AM
QUOTE(Dangerdog @ Nov 26 2007, 04:39 AM)

Miranda def hits harder than 90% of the guys up there. Cintron is getting so far overrated these days its hilarious. Dude stretches a few bums in dramatic fashion and all of the sudden hes Julian Jackson.
Miranda breaks jaws, puts people to sleep in the first round, etc....
i agree wit that.. and about cotto as well.. i can even see tarver in the top 20.
Antwuan Maxx
Nov 26 2007, 01:09 AM
QUOTE(Chaser @ Nov 26 2007, 01:02 AM)

How is Rafa Marquez not on that list?
My thoughts exactly.
The Narrator
Nov 26 2007, 01:15 AM
QUOTE(( . Y . ) @ Nov 26 2007, 03:09 AM)

i agree wit that.. and about cotto as well.. i can even see tarver in the top 20.
If you don't stop Elvir Muriqi you shouldn't sniff the top 20 of anything.
Rafa not being on that list is beyond ridiculous.
Mos Stef
Nov 26 2007, 01:25 AM
That list kinda sucks.
No Rafael Marquez....nuff said.Wlad at the #1 spot, even though he clearly can't fuck with the likes of Rafa or Pavlik p4p.Manny at #3 is too high imo as well.
Margarito Lover
Nov 26 2007, 01:27 AM
Rafa should definitely be on. He is smaller than Vasquez, and hits harder. Just takes a crappier shot.
I would put Cotto on there too. Dude busts people the fuck up with his power.
Valero? Gimme a fucking break. He hasn't fought shit.
Dingaling man is a joke too.
I agree that the caveman Miranda should be on here as well.
Judah hits harder than Vasquez, Darchinyan, and Cintron too.
This list sucks.
My Butt Itches
Nov 26 2007, 01:37 AM
i think u can make an argument for katsidis at the lower end of that list...
royalte1
Nov 26 2007, 04:07 AM
Even though I don't like him, Rafael Marquez definitely should be on there.
ChrisJMM
Nov 26 2007, 04:40 AM
Rafael is probably the game's biggest puncher, so a list without him isn't even worth wiping your ass on..
Smelodies
Nov 26 2007, 05:02 AM
QUOTE(The Narrator @ Nov 26 2007, 04:06 AM)

If you don't stop Elvir Muriqi you shouldn't sniff the top 20 of anything.
Elvir's only 28 and only been knocked out once. It's not like he's Louis Monaco or something.
Luca Brasi
Nov 26 2007, 05:14 AM
QUOTE(Oil Can Million @ Nov 26 2007, 04:18 AM)

Judah hits harder than Vasquez, Darchinyan, and Cintron too.
Dude seriously, come on. When was the last time Judah put somebody away? Last time he stopped someone was that first round headbutt on FNF.
Butters
Nov 26 2007, 06:00 AM
I got to say that I think Pavlik is the hardest puncher in the game today. He doesnt only put people to sleep standing, he puts the top MW's to sleep.
Id have Cotto up there too and I would have PDL far lower, Darchinyan doesnt belong on the list (shouldnt Nonito Donair be higher then him), neither does Cintron, Darnell Wilson. Marquez should defenetly be on that list and so should Miranda (even if he might be ruined), S Peter and I'd probably put Kessler on it too (though, landing everything he had on Andrade without really hurting him really buggs my mind, but I guess that might be the super human chin of Andrade).
Darxide
Nov 26 2007, 06:02 AM
QUOTE(Big Germ @ Nov 26 2007, 04:16 AM)

Wlad at the #1 spot, even though he clearly can't fuck with the likes of Rafa or Pavlik p4p.
I disagree on this particular point. Wlad's power is destructive if he hits you straight up flush. His jab is like most cats's right hand. However, it's tough to compare a HW's power with a MW or a BW p4p. Too many relative factors...
I agree that Pac is too high, though he had some real pop at the lower weights.
Mos Stef
Nov 26 2007, 06:11 AM
QUOTE(Keyza Soulsay @ Nov 26 2007, 02:53 PM)

I disagree on this particular point. Wlad's power is destructive if he hits you straight up flush. His jab is like most cats's right hand. However, it's tough to compare a HW's power with a MW or a BW p4p. Too many relative factors...
Sure, but that's the point I was trying to make.Dude is 250 pounds of muscle, at 6 feet 6.So I have a hard time putting him at the top of the p4p hitters, even though he most definitely belongs in the Top 10.
CatsKill
Nov 26 2007, 06:15 AM
At 154 or 160, I'd put Trinidad on that list, if he still counts.
Rafa definetly needs to be on that list, but I don't think Cotto does. I think Cotto hurts you with an accumulation of punches.
RCW
Nov 26 2007, 07:45 AM
The list of fighters who have demonstrated one punch KO power against top 10 or 15 opposition is short. I simply do not understand how O'Neil Bell and Rafa got left off that list.
PorkChopXprz
Nov 26 2007, 08:19 AM
I made one of these in class while I was bored the other day. I think it went like this:
1. Daniel Ponce De Leon
2. Kelly Pavlik
3. Israel Vasquez
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Wladimir Klitchsko
6. Edison Miranda
7. Edwin Valero
8. David Haye
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Manny Pacquiao
Butters
Nov 26 2007, 09:28 AM
QUOTE(CatsKill @ Nov 26 2007, 06:06 PM)

At 154 or 160, I'd put Trinidad on that list, if he still counts.
Rafa definetly needs to be on that list, but I don't think Cotto does. I think Cotto hurts you with an accumulation of punches.
Havnt you seen babaface's sig? Or just look at the Quintana fight, dude can knock anyone down or out with a single body punch.
Darxide
Nov 26 2007, 10:12 AM
QUOTE(Butters @ Nov 26 2007, 12:19 PM)

Havnt you seen babaface's sig? Or just look at the Quintana fight, dude can knock anyone down or out with a single body punch.
So can Gatti, Hopkins and Mayweather. But neither of those guys have any power. Stopping someone with a body shot means you're a good
accurate body puncher, it doesn't mean you have power. Cotto has bludgeoning power, but he hasn't displayed KYTFO power.
TrueWest
Nov 26 2007, 10:16 AM
I'm just glad Peter and Lacy aren't on this list. Overrated power punchers. Lacy more than Peter.
Eaner0919
Nov 26 2007, 10:35 AM
Giovanni Segura
CatsKill
Nov 26 2007, 10:41 AM
I knew someone was going to bring up Cotto and his body punches. I agree with Darxxxide.
Butters
Nov 26 2007, 10:43 AM
QUOTE(Keyza Soulsay @ Nov 26 2007, 10:03 PM)

So can Gatti, Hopkins and Mayweather. But neither of those guys have any power. Stopping someone with a body shot means you're a good accurate body puncher, it doesn't mean you have power. Cotto has bludgeoning power, but he hasn't displayed KYTFO power.
What I really ment was that Cotto can stop anyone with ONE body punch, and not only by accumulation of punches.
All those guy's you mention has impressed me with their bodypunches (though, I would rather say Ward over Gatti), but they just dont qualify for this list.
glockw0rk
Nov 26 2007, 10:46 AM
QUOTE(Chaser @ Nov 25 2007, 10:02 PM)

How is Rafa Marquez not on that list?
clearly that list is the crazed ravings of a diseased mind.
Mos Stef
Nov 26 2007, 10:48 AM
QUOTE(Big Daddy Ean @ Nov 26 2007, 07:26 PM)

Giovanni Segura
Don't you think you should have knocked out a top-fighter to be considered one of the p4p biggest hitter?Or at least one out of the Top 20?
blackartsviper
Nov 26 2007, 10:55 AM
I can't believe that they didn't put Marquez on the list?! Based off of his KO percentage alone and the fact that he has one-punch KO power and was a long reigning champ he should have been on the top ten. The rest of the names deserve to be on a list, but to keep Rafa off is pure bullshit and nobody can argue against it (the fact that Vazquez made it on the list despite having a much lower KO percentage proves that the list is preposterous). It seems as if The Ring has penalized Rafa for losing to IZZY, which even makes them look worse because the list is "hardest punchers" and not "Hardest punchers who don't get KO'd." His ommission alone makes the list unjustified.
Eaner0919
Nov 26 2007, 10:56 AM
QUOTE(Big Germ @ Nov 26 2007, 10:39 AM)

Don't you think you should have knocked out a top-fighter to be considered one of the p4p biggest hitter?Or at least one out of the Top 20?
couldnt the same be said of Edison Miranda yet I dont see you replying to those people?
Darxide
Nov 26 2007, 10:58 AM
QUOTE(Big Daddy Ean @ Nov 26 2007, 01:47 PM)

couldnt the same be said of Edison Miranda yet I dont see you replying to those people?
Howard Eastman was probably top 20, no?
Eaner0919
Nov 26 2007, 11:00 AM
QUOTE(Keyza Soulsay @ Nov 26 2007, 10:49 AM)

Howard Eastman was probably top 20, no?
IMO he was about the same Daniel Reyes was to Gio
Atman
Nov 26 2007, 12:12 PM
A case for Ding-A-Ling: He KO'd three straight solid guys within four rounds, then delivered the KTFO of the year against Nwodo. He did this without a whole lot of skill or accuracy, meaning he's not an accumulation guy, he's a get caught flush and you're in trouble guy. So him being on the list is not a "joke".
Raf not being there is though.
ChrisJMM
Nov 26 2007, 01:33 PM
QUOTE(BabyFace @ Nov 26 2007, 04:10 PM)

I made one of these in class while I was bored the other day. I think it went like this:
1. Daniel Ponce De Leon
2. Kelly Pavlik
3. Israel Vasquez
4. Kermit Cintron
5. Wladimir Klitchsko
6. Edison Miranda
7. Edwin Valero
8. David Haye
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Manny Pacquiao
Rafa at 9 is too low. He's #1, or at the very least #2.
indio
Nov 26 2007, 05:00 PM
QUOTE(Butters @ Nov 26 2007, 01:34 PM)

What I really ment was that Cotto can stop anyone with ONE body punch, and not only by accumulation of punches.
All those guy's you mention has impressed me with their bodypunches (though, I would rather say Ward over Gatti), but they just dont qualify for this list.
butters, gerry penalosa ko'd jhonny gonzales with a body shot also and gerry is at best, an average puncher.
cotto has heavy hands much like fernando vargas used to have. ppl associate knock out percentage with power all the time and sometimes it does not truly indicate power. cotto chops ppl down, even that body shot he ko'd quintana with was probably after an accumulation of punches. as i recall, cotto hit quintana in the shoulder, not on the liver and still ko'd him. lethal body puncher? yes. one punch power? no
Butters
Nov 26 2007, 07:30 PM
QUOTE(indio @ Nov 27 2007, 04:51 AM)

butters, gerry penalosa ko'd jhonny gonzales with a body shot also and gerry is at best, an average puncher.
cotto has heavy hands much like fernando vargas used to have. ppl associate knock out percentage with power all the time and sometimes it does not truly indicate power. cotto chops ppl down, even that body shot he ko'd quintana with was probably after an accumulation of punches. as i recall, cotto hit quintana in the shoulder, not on the liver and still ko'd him. lethal body puncher? yes. one punch power? no
Penalosa's body punch on Gonzalez gave me wet dreams for a while
I see what you'r saying but I still think he has punching power enough to be on that list, and the quintana ko was a one punch ko and not an accumilation of punches, it landed on the liver (and probably the kidney) but on the back side due to quintana turning his back.
Panic City
Nov 26 2007, 08:07 PM
Sorry if this is off topic, but that gaystation sig is disturbing. Not homophobic or anything, but take that off if you arent reppin gay pride.
yuck.
dirt mcgirt
Nov 26 2007, 08:44 PM
Samuel Peter should have made it before Darnell Wilson. As well as the other 100 fighters everybody here mentioned.
Dangerdog
Nov 26 2007, 09:09 PM
Im the leader of the Sam bandwagon, but even i have to admit. Sam hasnt stretched anyone elite yet. He murders the bums, but when he steps up the comp he actually has to work for his wins, his power seems to be a bit negated.
I wouldnt put him up there is what im saying. Too many other hard punchers.
blackartsviper
Nov 27 2007, 05:16 AM
QUOTE(indio @ Nov 26 2007, 06:51 PM)

butters, gerry penalosa ko'd jhonny gonzales with a body shot also and gerry is at best, an average puncher.
cotto has heavy hands much like fernando vargas used to have. ppl associate knock out percentage with power all the time and sometimes it does not truly indicate power. cotto chops ppl down, even that body shot he ko'd quintana with was probably after an accumulation of punches. as i recall, cotto hit quintana in the shoulder, not on the liver and still ko'd him. lethal body puncher? yes. one punch power? no
That's not true. Just because a guy doesn't necessarily have one-punch KO power and wears and opponent out doesn't necessarily mean that this fighter can't crack like hell. Cotto is a prime example. He doesn't have one-punch KO power, but his punch is clearly on the second-tier just outside of the elite.
He may not ice cats like Hearns or Julian Jackson, but every punch he lands on his opponent hurts like hell and they end up just trying to survive.
Also it must be said that no matter how great a puncher truly is, at the elite level, they don't often KO a puncher with just one punch. They usually hurt them with one big shot, Knock the opponent down, the opponent is badly hurt and the fighter just spends the rest of the fight trying to survive until finally getting KTFO. In my opinion, KO percentage is an excellent way to consider punching power, and also, looking at the amount or rounds it takes a puncher to register a stoppage.
Margarito Lover
Nov 27 2007, 05:22 AM
I'd rather get hit by Caveman Ponce de Leon than Miguel Cotto, to be honest. I mean, if we were all the same size.
shankbones
Nov 27 2007, 06:12 AM
For those complaining about Rafa being left off, the article includes him among the 'honorable mention' and notes that he would have made it at 118 pounds, but doesn't quite have top-10 pop at 122. Think about it: Two fights so far at 122, zero knockdowns scored. One year ago, he's top 10, easy. But right at this moment, in a new weight class, he's a borderline top-10, IMO.
CatsKill
Nov 27 2007, 06:32 AM
I'd put Cotto on the same level as Ricky Hatton. Both outside the top tier punchers list. At his prime, I think that Vargas hit harder than Cotto.
Mos Stef
Nov 27 2007, 06:37 AM
QUOTE(shankbones @ Nov 27 2007, 03:03 PM)

For those complaining about Rafa being left off, the article includes him among the 'honorable mention' and notes that he would have made it at 118 pounds, but doesn't quite have top-10 pop at 122. Think about it: Two fights so far at 122, zero knockdowns scored. One year ago, he's top 10, easy. But right at this moment, in a new weight class, he's a borderline top-10, IMO.
Those two fights were against Israel Vasquez and he still had him rocked in those fights, it's not like he wasn't able to KO bums.
This is a piss poor reason to not rank him imo.
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