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#31 kc40

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:02 PM

View PostButters, on 04 September 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Bradley is a face first fighter. Pwill had some tough fights, both the first Marinez and the Margarito fight were fights where he took quite a few punches.

What does PWill have to do with Bradley?  That has to be one of the worst analogies I've heard in a while.  And then asserting that Bradley is face first?  Really?  Something tells me you haven't seen him fight that much.   The only thing I could grant you is that--barring the Provodnikov fight--he sometimes does leave himself open and squares himself up, which can lead to him getting caught with counters (see the Casamayor fight for example).

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:32 PM

View Postkc40, on 04 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

What does PWill have to do with Bradley?  That has to be one of the worst analogies I've heard in a while.  And then asserting that Bradley is face first?  Really?  Something tells me you haven't seen him fight that much.   The only thing I could grant you is that--barring the Provodnikov fight--he sometimes does leave himself open and squares himself up, which can lead to him getting caught with counters (see the Casamayor fight for example).
Where did you get all cocky from? I actually didnt understand you thought I think their styles were similar.
First of all, I never compared their styles, I just think he might get caught with a perfect shot that will leave him face down on the canvas, ála Pwill, but since I have some change on him, I really hope that wont be the case. I was only talking about the knock out.

If you think that the idea of Bradley in a lot of fights comes in face first is crazy, you need to watch him more. Whenever he throws his wild right, his face is coming first, therefor, "face first".

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:34 PM

View Postsunfish, on 04 September 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

You haven't watched him fight much.
You've seen the provodnikov fight.
What would change if I watched that fight?

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:34 PM

You've missed the point. Start telling me where Bradley fought like PWill.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:21 AM

I have never said Bradley fights like Pwill?

I was talking about the ko, laying face down on the canvas, separated from your senses, unconscious, hit really hard on your chin, staring contest with the canvas......Get it?

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:32 AM

Your words:

"Bradley is a face first fighter. Pwill had some tough fights, both the first Marinez and the Margarito fight were fights where he took quite a few punches."

But you weren't comparing?

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 08:14 AM

View Postsunfish, on 05 September 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

Your words:

"Bradley is a face first fighter. Pwill had some tough fights, both the first Marinez and the Margarito fight were fights where he took quite a few punches."

But you weren't comparing?
I only answered your question. Had little to do with this fight, or my earlier statement, but since you asked, Ill answer.

View Postsunfish, on 04 September 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

How often has Bradley been in face first wars and how often was pwill?


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:00 AM

Will Bradley be Marquez's second common opponent with Pacquiao, after Barrera?

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:39 AM

Great answer butters.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:44 PM

WTF do you want then?

Edited by Butters, 05 September 2013 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

You were comparing, not me. For fucks sake.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 03:02 AM

Marquez should win this one. Bradley has a much better chance if Marquez isn't as motivated and up for this fight, considering he finally earned the biggest win of his career, and in spectacular fashion against Pacquiao.

If they decided to box, Marquez is just more skilled, and if Tim decides to be aggressive he will get picked apart. Bradley has the speed advantage, but Marquez has enough experience with fighters with speed, there really isn't anything he hasn't seen or encountered.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:16 PM

I'm going to say the same thing I thought before the Pac-Bradley fight.....Marquez should win because he's clearly the better skilled fighter, but Bradley just doesn't know how to lose.  It's going to take a badass to teach Bradley the hard way how to lose.  I thought Pac would do it (and I thought Pac won) but Bradley didn't learn.  I can see JMM hurting Bradley and finishing him as the most likely scenario.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:33 AM

View PostButters, on 04 September 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Where did you get all cocky from? I actually didnt understand you thought I think their styles were similar.
First of all, I never compared their styles, I just think he might get caught with a perfect shot that will leave him face down on the canvas, ála Pwill, but since I have some change on him, I really hope that wont be the case. I was only talking about the knock out.

If you think that the idea of Bradley in a lot of fights comes in face first is crazy, you need to watch him more. Whenever he throws his wild right, his face is coming first, therefor, "face first".

Well, I wasn't the only one here who confused what you wrote for a comparison between PWill and Bradley.  A little more clarity in your writing would help, you know.  Same thing goes for Bradley being face first.  Perhaps it's a language barrier.  If you say a boxer is a face first fighter, you are implying he eats a lot of punches, lacks defense, etc.  It's not a literal expression, Butters.  Like I said myself, Bradley does leave himself open when he throws those wild rights you point out, but the truth is that's not a good description of him as an overall fighter, since he is in fact not that easy to hit cleanly, in a consistent way.

Edited by kc40, 07 September 2013 - 03:35 AM.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:44 AM

I also think Marquez will win this fight, though it won't be easy.  Some people forget the way he struggled with Juan Diaz and Katsidis.  But style wise, this matchup definitely favors Marquez.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:41 PM

You guys are nuts. Marquez is going to show his age, and Bradley is not the right style for him, as Nacho has already noted.

Edited by Smelodies, 08 September 2013 - 08:39 AM.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 02:14 PM

Marquez will land hard and often in the first 5 or 6 and if Bradley is still there after that, then he'll have his fun.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:39 AM

View PostSmelodies, on 07 September 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

You guys are nuts. Marquez is going to show his age, and Bradley is not the right style for him, as Nacho has already noted.

Perhaps, you are correct in that he is not the right style for Marquez, but neither is Marquez from Bradley...it's not like Bradley has done great against swift boxers who can counterpunch well (even an ancient Casamayor was able to land at will against him).   And the way Bradley exposes himself sometimes when he throws the overhand, well, that is something JMM will be able to exploit with his sharp counters.  I think this will be the last hurrah for Marquez.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:57 AM

Marquez isn't swift, never has been.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:14 PM

View PostYellowLorrySlow, on 09 September 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Marquez isn't swift, never has been.

Do you mean swift as in fast
or
smart?
lol

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostRODEMEYER, on 09 September 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Do you mean swift as in fast
or
smart?
lol

Fast is how I took it. In particularly his slow ass feet. Tim can exploit that.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:26 PM

He can but I think Marquez is patient enough and "swift" enough to take advantage of the openings he will get.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:27 AM

View PostYellowLorrySlow, on 09 September 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Marquez isn't swift, never has been.

Haha, true.  I was thinking of how he can swiftly counterpunch.  Let's call him swift-minded then, along with precise puncher.   I do agree Bradley will be able to exploit Marquez's not so swift movement, but his smarts will enable him to counterpunch Bradley in those moments he throws his wild punches.  If  Marquez ends up leading a lot, it will spell bad news for him though.  It will be interesting to see who puts the pressure in this fight.  Bradley might think it would be a good idea to pressure the old man, but this would open holes that Marquez would exploit.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:30 AM

Yeah, his accuracy is amazing.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 03:32 PM

View PostYellowLorrySlow, on 10 September 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

Yeah, his accuracy is amazing.
Yeah
The only one more accurate especially with timing is PBF

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:18 PM

Good breakdown:



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:14 AM

Bradley has enough speed and boxing skills to where he can lull JMM into a boxing match, in which Tim's speed and reflexes will allow him to land more.  I think Bradley wins a close fight.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostJaxamillian, on 25 September 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Bradley has enough speed and boxing skills to where he can lull JMM into a boxing match, in which Tim's speed and reflexes will allow him to land more.  I think Bradley wins a close fight.

I agree, but he also can't resist slugging and when he does he's as open as a heavy bag. Marquez will turn out his lights when that happens.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:59 PM

Can't see JMM KTFOing Bradley unless his chin is broken from Provodnikov (very possible- he took a terrible beating).

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:05 PM

I doubt you could see him knocking out Pacquiao either.



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