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#121 YellowLorrySlow

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE(DetroitMex @ Mar 20 2011, 07:11 PM) View Post

Chaney got owned.  Whenever he lost he insulted kids, tried to choke opposing coaches, or sent his players out to hurt his opponents and what that did that get him?  Consistent second round chokes.

Is that unfunny adulterer Bill Cosby still hanging around their games?


Chaney was an overrated, racist piece of shit.

QUOTE(Anytime Hester @ Mar 20 2011, 07:25 PM) View Post

based on what exactly?  chaney was a very controlling person so it limited the recruits he was able to get.  as far as actually coaching the talent he had, he was certainly better than calipari or fisher.  calipari has yet to win shit despite having all the top recruits each year.
nice job by greg gumbel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szfOmc5jzd8...eature=youtu.be



Based on results, Chaney was a media creation in a time when Black coaches were held back from opportunities. He had plenty of talent, and he never came through with it. Watching a Temple/Indiana game was like watching a 5 yr old coach against a man.

QUOTE(Anytime Hester @ Mar 20 2011, 07:41 PM) View Post

if chaney couldve kept a local product in house (rasheed wallace) like calipari did with camby then they wouldnt have the same number of national championships.



You live in a fantasy world, they had a team that spent a lot of time ranked #1 in the nation and then Chaney got owned by Coach K.

And if national championships and advancing in the tournament is your thing, why do you continue to hammer on Steve? He made 3 finals and whipped your boys ass. Now he has San Diego St as a 2 seed. Fisher is as underrated as Chaney was overrated.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE(hateso @ Mar 20 2011, 08:21 PM) View Post

Chaney was an overrated, racist piece of shit.
Based on results, Chaney was a media creation in a time when Black coaches were held back from opportunities. He had plenty of talent, and he never came through with it. Watching a Temple/Indiana game was like watching a 5 yr old coach against a man.


Agree, I'd love how they'd harp on the fact that Chaney graduated players.  Ummm, quoting Chris Rock, motherfucker you are SUPPOSED to graduate your players.  He was a poor man's John Thompson without the coaching, recruiting, or championships.    

Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble drove a couple of thousand miles to get away from that overrated fake tough guy.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE(DetroitMex @ Mar 21 2011, 01:30 AM) View Post

Agree, I'd love how they'd harp on the fact that Chaney graduated players.  Ummm, quoting Chris Rock, motherfucker you are SUPPOSED to graduate your players.  He was a poor man's John Thompson without the coaching, recruiting, or championships.    

Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble drove a couple of thousand miles to get away from that overrated fake tough guy.



Bobby Knight graduated players too, and he was as big an asshole as you will ever find. But he could coach his ass off. Indiana didn't have the greatest "talent" in the nation. Hell, they had white players everywhere. It's a flimsy excuse for an average coach.

Fuck Duke is about the only thing left in College hoops I care about. But they actually hold their players to high academic standards. I don't recall a prop 48 player there.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:44 PM

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Bobby Knight graduated players too, and he was as big an asshole as you will ever find. But he could coach his ass off. Indiana didn't have the greatest "talent" in the nation. Hell, they had white players everywhere. It's a flimsy excuse for an average coach.

Fuck Duke is about the only thing left in College hoops I care about. But they actually hold their players to high academic standards. I don't recall a prop 48 player there.


Chaney did well in a shitty conference then it got better and a funny thing happened to his record.

He was always Villanova's bitch in Philly.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:17 PM

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE(hateso @ Mar 20 2011, 05:26 PM) View Post

Chaney was an overrated, racist piece of shit.
Based on results, Chaney was a media creation in a time when Black coaches were held back from opportunities. He had plenty of talent, and he never came through with it. Watching a Temple/Indiana game was like watching a 5 yr old coach against a man.
You live in a fantasy world, they had a team that spent a lot of time ranked #1 in the nation and then Chaney got owned by Coach K.

And if national championships and advancing in the tournament is your thing, why do you continue to hammer on Steve? He made 3 finals and whipped your boys ass. Now he has San Diego St as a 2 seed. Fisher is as underrated as Chaney was overrated.



laugh.gif  right. the rodent's tremendous coaching advantage caused Mark Macon to have the worst game of his life and choke. he got plenty of open shots that game but simply failed to deliver.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:27 PM

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laugh.gif  right. the rodent's tremendous coaching advantage caused Mark Macon to have the worst game of his life and choke. he got plenty of open shots that game but simply failed to deliver.


Don Chaney bought Macon a Camaro to get him out of Saginaw Buena Vista.  Macon was 13 years old.  



By Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports Mar 17, 12:10 am EDT

TUCSON, Ariz. – Inside a room at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, five college students sat rapt in front of a big projection screen. San Diego State’s basketball team takes one on the road in case it needs an impromptu film session, and while this qualified, it was a far different sort of film than the team usually watches.
Steve Fisher's Aztecs got a glimpse of the coach's rise to fame thanks to the documentary "Fab Five."
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Earlier in the day, San Diego State coach Steve Fisher made an off-handed comment about how he secured an advance copy of the new documentary on the “Fab Five,” the transcendent group of Michigan players whom he’d recruited and coached nearly 20 years ago. Immediately, the Aztecs asked to watch it, and since none wanted to crowd around a laptop, they begged video coordinator Dave Velazquez to borrow the big screen.

Velazquez told the players they were supposed to be in study hall. Forget study hall. They needed to see this. Now.

They knew the boilerplate Fab Five facts – the baggy shorts, the black socks, the hype before hype was currency. They wanted the unfettered, unfiltered story, and if the Fab Five’s legacy ever was in doubt, they need not worry: Two decades later, kids who weren’t even born when they were playing still want to learn about them, to see Jalen Rose peg black players who go to Duke “Uncle Tom” and his teammates call Grant Hill and Christian Laettner “bitch.”

In the hotel room were D.J. Gay, Billy White, Malcolm Thomas and Kawhi Leonard, a future first-round pick, each an integral piece of the Aztecs team that Fisher has coached to a 32-2 record and No. 2 seed in the West Region. Along with them was Brian Carlwell, the backup center and team clown, and between laughing at Fisher’s clothing and assistant coach Brian Dutcher’s sunglasses, Carlwell couldn’t help but find himself inspired by the whole thing. Here was the coach who later that day would lead the Aztecs into the Mountain West Conference tournament, and he was the puppeteer behind the most famous college basketball team ever.

“Right there,” Carlwell said Wednesday, “I thought that we’re going to watch this before we go to win championships.”

San Diego State beat Utah that day, UNLV the next and avenged two losses to BYU the day after, and Fisher took the final snip on the net at the Thomas and Mack Center as architect of perhaps the unlikeliest powerhouse in the country. On the 5 1/2-hour ride back to San Diego that night, the Aztecs loaded into the bus and needed something to kill time. And you know exactly what they asked to watch.

“I think I’ve seen it four times already,” Carlwell said.

The Steve Fisher of then – handed the job by Michigan athletic director Bo Schembechler when Bill Frieder was fired on the eve of the 1989 NCAA tournament for talking with Arizona State about its coaching gig, only to win the whole thing – isn’t much different than the one today. He still wears tracksuits, albeit ones without fluorescent flourishes. He still has the slender face and the measured gait. His hair is whiter and his eyes need glasses – he has something of a John Wooden look.

How a 65-year-old can go into inner-city homes and connect with players is almost directly because of the 1991-92 and 1992-93 seasons with the Fab Five. When Fisher was recruiting Aerick Sanders about a decade ago, Sanders asked the coach to sign a Fab Five book. Fisher knew he had Sanders, who became an All-MWC player.

Fisher was no coaching genius then. He understood that no team in college had a greater collection of talent than Rose, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson, so he let them play how they wanted to and be who they were.

And that was a group with swag. Georgetown may have started the current era of basketball with Patrick Ewing and Co. in the mid-’80s. The Fab Five perfected it. Georgetown was the MP3 player and Michigan the iPod: Plenty of substance, sure, but style over it all. Style is what sells. Style is what people remember.

Style is why ESPN commissioned “The Fab Five,” why everybody involved but Webber participated. The revelation that he accepted $280,000 from booster Ed Martin tarnished his time there. Fisher was fired when an investigation revealed he knew of Martin providing extra benefits. He still answers questions about Michigan willingly, though, harboring no ill will, and was happy to participate in the documentary.

“I smiled,” Fisher said. “It brought back a lot of memories. I enjoyed it. I thought it was a good portrayal of who they were, what happened.”

What has happened since last week continues to make headlines. Rose is standing behind his comments. Hill fired back Wednesday with a column in The New York Times that ends with a swing of the scalpel: “I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.”

It’s like Rose says in the movie, though: Nobody remembers who was on the North Carolina team that beat Michigan by six points in the 1993 championship game, and even with Hill and Laettner and Bobby Hurley, the ’92 Duke team finishes second in resonance to that first incarnation of the Fab Five.

“To see a bunch of kids from the inner city, like us, make it that far and become big-time basketball players – that’s what we want to be,” said Thomas, a senior forward. “When I was growing up, all I heard was the black socks and they were all freshmen. Everybody remembers the Fab Five, and they didn’t even win a national championship.
Brian Carlwell and his teammates have taken to watching the documentary as a good luck charm.
(Christopher Hanewinckel/US Presswire)

“My favorite part is when he calls him a bitch. I’m not saying I agree what he said. I just like that he spoke his mind.”

All of the players, Carlwell and Thomas said, enjoyed the Duke scenes the most, perhaps because they encapsulate the Fab Five the best. The words and images always mattered more than the deeds. The Fab Five have done more than anyone besides Magic and Bird to commercialize college basketball. They showed that a team can be a product, one with the shelf life of a Twinkie.

“I told Jalen it must’ve been good because you made Bobby Hurley mad again,” said Dutcher, now Fisher’s lead assistant. “They’re still creating press after all these years.”

And still making fans. “The Fab Five” first aired Sunday night and pulled the highest ratings of a documentary in ESPN history. It showed that the five San Diego State players who piled into that hotel room were onto something. The DVD still is making the rounds among the Aztecs, though Carlwell has held off on his fifth viewing for Thursday morning, a few hours before San Diego State faces 15th-seeded Northern Colorado.

“If we watched it and won a conference championship,” he said, “might as well do it again and win a national championship.”




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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:27 PM

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laugh.gif  right. the rodent's tremendous coaching advantage caused Mark Macon to have the worst game of his life and choke. he got plenty of open shots that game but simply failed to deliver.


Yup, that's called defense. Temple was favored and they got schooled. What is that word you love? Oh yeah, underachieving.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE(hateso @ Mar 20 2011, 09:27 PM) View Post

Yup, that's called defense. Temple was favored and they got schooled. What is that word you love? Oh yeah, underachieving.


Jay Wright at Nova accomplished more already than Chaney did in about 30 years.  And Jay isn't a racist and hasn't threatened to choke Jim Boeheim.

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE(DetroitMex @ Mar 20 2011, 10:33 PM) View Post

Jay Wright at Nova accomplished more already than Chaney did in about 30 years.  And Jay isn't a racist and hasn't threatened to choke Jim Boeheim.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 12:34 PM

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 03:59 PM

Gus is the best.
Coooooooold Blooded!!!!

I like Butler, SD St, and Florida tomorrow.

My bets:

Butler +4.5
Fla -3
SD +1
Ariz +8.5


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Posted 23 March 2011 - 05:03 PM

I have UConn and the other 3 the same.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE(hateso @ Mar 23 2011, 06:03 PM) View Post

I have UConn and the other 3 the same.


Hope your coll bball picking is as good as your NFL picking

IIRC you had GB & Pitt in the final 4 and then GB in the SB   drinking.gif  drinking.gif

I think Butler and Arizona are live dogs, I will be putting something on the ML for them as well!

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 03:18 AM

QUOTE(Mike Quartey @ Mar 24 2011, 06:21 AM) View Post

Hope your coll bball picking is as good as your NFL picking

IIRC you had GB & Pitt in the final 4 and then GB in the SB   drinking.gif  drinking.gif

I think Butler and Arizona are live dogs, I will be putting something on the ML for them as well!


I don't even watch College basketball until the tournament, but I did well betting in the second round.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 06:03 AM

QUOTE(Mike Quartey @ Mar 24 2011, 02:21 AM) View Post

Hope your coll bball picking is as good as your NFL picking

IIRC you had GB & Pitt in the final 4 and then GB in the SB   drinking.gif  drinking.gif

I think Butler and Arizona are live dogs, I will be putting something on the ML for them as well!


Something tells me he didn't have Pit in the final four.

The fat one does put down some good gambooling advice though.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE(Wally Hopkins @ Mar 24 2011, 02:03 PM) View Post

Something tells me he didn't have Pit in the final four.

The fat one does put down some good gambooling advice though.


Nope, had them losing to Florida. My pool is trash.

I'm more than likely in better shape than you are.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE(hateso @ Mar 24 2011, 01:49 PM) View Post

Nope, had them losing to Florida. My pool is trash.

I'm more than likely in better shape than you are.


He was talking nfl, like you had the steel ers over the ravens.

Round and square are both shapes so you have me there.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE(Wally Hopkins @ Mar 24 2011, 07:04 PM) View Post

He was talking nfl, like you had the steel ers over the ravens.

Round and square are both shapes so you have me there.



He was talking about me picking the conference finals and the Super Bowl correctly. But thanks for the input little guy.

I'm sure I have you in everything. You come off like a typical toothpick running their mouth on the web.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 12:33 PM

He had Pitt over NYJ and GB over Chicago and then GB over Pitt in the super bowl. We can go back and check the NFL gambling thread but I am sure that is right because i remember giving kudos.

Mark's NBA finals bet was a dud but in football and boxing I usually check to see what he has.


Also, SD ST is going to win today. The line crossed 0 which is a good sign for Aztecs backers

Edited by Mike Quartey, 24 March 2011 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2011 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Mike Quartey @ Mar 24 2011, 08:33 PM) View Post

He had Pitt over NYJ and GB over Chicago and then GB over Pitt in the super bowl. We can go back and check the NFL gambling thread but I am sure that is right because i remember giving kudos.

Mark's NBA finals bet was a dud but in football and boxing I usually check to see what he has.
Also, SD ST is going to win today. The line crossed 0 which is a good sign for Aztecs backers



I bet the Bulls to win it all at 25 to 1 in January. I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't want a piece of that now.

I went 9-2 in the playoffs, lost on Saints/Seattle & the Ravens game.

My Boxing betting has been garbage for the last year or so.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 05:35 PM

Jimmer is a bad ass. First time I've seen him play all year. God has anointed his scoring ability, he's shooting jumpers from half court now.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 05:47 PM

I hate his guts, but he is a helluva College player. The officials have been helping BYU down the stretch. Hopefully that doesn't decide the game.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 05:52 PM

fredette is reminiscent of nash at santa clara.

did this mensa member Gus Johnson really ask if BYU should purposely foul florida with the scored tied  and 18 seconds left? laugh.gif

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 05:58 PM

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I hate his guts, but he is a helluva College player. The officials have been helping BYU down the stretch. Hopefully that doesn't decide the game.

Did he get too full of himself at the end of regulation, or has he been draining 30 footers all year? Couple of big bricks before OT.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 06:49 PM

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I bet the Bulls to win it all at 25 to 1 in January. I can't imagine anyone that wouldn't want a piece of that now.

I went 9-2 in the playoffs, lost on Saints/Seattle & the Ravens game.

My Boxing betting has been garbage for the last year or so.



Nice job on uconn & fla   drinking.gif  drinking.gif

I was referring to last years finals, i think you had boston over la

25:1 on chicago is nice, i got 9:1

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 07:28 PM

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Did he get too full of himself at the end of regulation, or has he been draining 30 footers all year? Couple of big bricks before OT.



I don't watch it until the Tournament. I would have to think that he shoots better than that. Now I'm glad it went to OT since we covered the spread.

Williams from Zona & Walker from UConn have been the two best players I've seen. Williams is insane.

Tomorrow I got Ohio St, VCU, UNC & Richmond.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 08:08 PM

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Fuck Duke!



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Posted 24 March 2011 - 10:04 PM

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Fuck Duke!


fuck that rat face

AZ! drinking.gif

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 02:00 AM

I took Florida & UConn to make the Final 4 before the tourney so I'm hedging with Zona & Butler.



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